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Old 01-29-2011, 05:47 AM   #1
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New Colt folding Stock M-4!!

The Colt Gas Piston M4 Carbine with Folding Stock

http://kitup.military.com/2011/01/fi...hk-416c-2.html

 
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Old 01-29-2011, 07:57 AM   #2
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Meh...
 
Old 01-29-2011, 10:44 AM   #3
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Doesn't look very comfortable. It seems like it should have some kind of cheek rest contour or something similar. I would have to use one to really tell but I don't think I would drop the coinage just to see what it feels like.
 
Old 01-29-2011, 11:23 AM   #4
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That's a concept weapon they had out at the 2010 SHOT show. Problem is, it takes a lot of components not found on the regular AR15/M4 system. Retrofitting would be expensive and it would require it's own parts inventory so it's doubtful it will ever be adopted by the military.
 
Old 01-29-2011, 04:32 PM   #5
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Another fail.

Since it says Colt many will be after just for that simple fact.
 
Old 01-29-2011, 08:15 PM   #6
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I'm more interested in the ACOG on the bottom of the pic lol.
 
Old 01-31-2011, 11:11 AM   #7
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That's a concept weapon they had out at the 2010 SHOT show. Problem is, it takes a lot of components not found on the regular AR15/M4 system. Retrofitting would be expensive and it would require it's own parts inventory so it's doubtful it will ever be adopted by the military.
And I was gonna say, "can you say M4-retrofit?" but I guess maybe not....

I read somewhere the military isn't going away from the M4/M16 as a general issued weapon any time soon, but is looking at some upgrades. A piston system would seem like a good potential upgrade, but retrofitting sounds unlikely, so....?
 
Old 02-01-2011, 06:28 PM   #8
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Piston on an AR? Not you too Pete! The M16 family was designed to be a DI gun, don't go fucking it up trying to make it "better" by adding extra parts and weight. If you want a piston gun, buy a FAL/Sig556/AK/SCAR/ACR Etc....keep your abortions away from the AR!
 
Old 02-02-2011, 02:20 PM   #9
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Piston on an AR? Not you too Pete! The M16 family was designed to be a DI gun, don't go fucking it up trying to make it "better" by adding extra parts and weight. If you want a piston gun, buy a FAL/Sig556/AK/SCAR/ACR Etc....keep your abortions away from the AR!
Didn't I tell you I bought another AR already? I thought about the Ruger 556 and almost got that, but ultimately went with a S&W M&P15T, which is still DI. And I love it.

But really though, don't be such a Luddite! Or are you saying that Eugene Stoner's original design was such a masterstroke of pure genius, that even 40-odd years later there's absolutely no possible way to improve it? Methinks not. The venerable 1911 pistol has been improved over the years, or do you rock original Colts only? I'll take real sights, a beavertail, etc thanks.

Sure some of the original piston ARs were junk, but that was then, this is now. The Ruger is solid enough that LE departments are issuing them to their officers & SWAT teams (you should know this?).

Mark my words, piston ARs are the way of the future. I may go buy one just to spite you.
 
Old 02-02-2011, 02:27 PM   #10
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Brian AGREED!!!!!! Don't fuck it up.

Pete is just a poor poor victim of the propaganda machines.. be prepared for 300 citations of how wonderful the piston system is..



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Piston on an AR? Not you too Pete! The M16 family was designed to be a DI gun, don't go fucking it up trying to make it "better"..
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Didn't I tell you I bought another AR already? I thought about the Ruger 556 and almost got that, but ultimately went with a S&W M&P15T, which is still DI. And I love it.

But really though, don't be such a Luddite! Or are you saying that Eugene Stoner's original design was bla bla bla...
 
Old 02-02-2011, 04:17 PM   #11
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I don't know what a "Luddite" is but when I find out, if it's bad I'll shoot you in the pinkie toe!

Pete, adding a piston to the AR system does nothing for it's performance. It adds weight and parts that may fail. I get a lot of guys through with POF/LWRC and some add on piston systems and they shit themselves when the round count starts to go up, usually parts that DI guns don't even have. Keep it simple and there isn't much more simple than DI. Knights has the right idea, small changes that enhance reliability without trying to be the next "big thing". Larue has also done some amazing shit with their OBR series but guess what, it's still a DI gun.

A well lubed mil spec DI gun will run just as long without cleaning as the best piston AR's. Piston's affect accuracy (more moving mass) and everything you can do to reduce weight on a picston gun, you could also do to a DI.

I think Pat Rogers has a DI 14.5" mid length BCM (mil spec) that's had over 34,000 rnds through it without cleaning. He just keeps lubing it. Perform regular maintenence and they'll run just about forever.

So why do we need a piston? Kinda a fad. Like a GSXR1000. Every homo needs one. (not that there's anything wrong with homo's, just homo's who ride GSXR1000's)

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