Best AR-15 Accessory Ever

May 2011
288
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NW Quadrant WA State
Looks like fun and the manufacturer claims that it has the ATF's "Blessing".

Wonder how Washington State will view it considering that this is their definition of "Machine Gun"

RCW 9.41.010 Terms Defined


"Machine gun" means any firearm known as a machine gun, mechanical rifle, submachine gun, or any other mechanism or instrument not requiring that the trigger be pressed for each shot and having a reservoir clip, disc, drum, belt, or other separable mechanical device for storing, carrying, or supplying ammunition which can be loaded into the firearm, mechanism, or instrument, and fired therefrom at the rate of five or more shots per second.

Since the instructions require that one hold the trigger down to make it operate, and multiple shots are discharged without requiring the trigger to be released, I don't think one has much defense against prosecution in WA State for using one of these.

Just like with other devices where the ATF has changed their mind, I see a big risk of this happening with this one too.
 
May 2011
63
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Tacoma
That is awesome!

I was looking at the review from another channel. Your finger does leave the trigger. So it should be legal?? It isn't constantly compressed down.

Either way that is freaking awesome!
 
Jan 2009
151
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Richland, WA
Since the instructions require that one hold the trigger down to make it operate, and multiple shots are discharged without requiring the trigger to be released, I don't think one has much defense against prosecution in WA State for using one of these.

That is incorrect. Your finger sits on a shelf not the trigger. The trigger is pressed for each shot. The stock allows the rifle to bumpfire in a controlable manner. Your finger comes of the trigger after every shot, it just happens very quickly. The lightning link that was linked to earlier, that is a machine gun, this still a semi auto.
 
Jan 2009
370
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Washington
Looks like fun and the manufacturer claims that it has the ATF's "Blessing".

Wonder how Washington State will view it considering that this is their definition of "Machine Gun"



Since the instructions require that one hold the trigger down to make it operate, and multiple shots are discharged without requiring the trigger to be released, I don't think one has much defense against prosecution in WA State for using one of these.

Just like with other devices where the ATF has changed their mind, I see a big risk of this happening with this one too.

It's a possibility, but the concept is still the same. The trigger has to reset before being able to be pulled again to fire another shot. The internals themselves don't allow for the trigger to simply be held down once and only once.

By mechanical function, it still fits the letter of the law.

That of course doesn't mean the ATF won't change their mind at some point...
 
Jan 2009
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Renton, WA
Cool beans, but I can already burn through too much ammo too fast without a simulated auto setting!
 
May 2011
288
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NW Quadrant WA State
It's a possibility, but the concept is still the same. The trigger has to reset before being able to be pulled again to fire another shot. The internals themselves don't allow for the trigger to simply be held down once and only once.

By mechanical function, it still fits the letter of the law.

That of course doesn't mean the ATF won't change their mind at some point...

There is another provision of WA Law that could be troublesome. The "5 Shots per second. This would be equal to a cyclic rate of 300 rounds per minute.

What would the max cyclic rate with this device be? The cyclic rate doesn't take into consideration reload time, merely the rate at which the firearm is able to fire rounds, period.

It may not be "automatic" under ATF standards but the other provision within RCW 9.42.010 that defines machine guns could cause one grief.
 
Jan 2009
151
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Richland, WA
There is another provision of WA Law that could be troublesome. The "5 Shots per second. This would be equal to a cyclic rate of 300 rounds per minute.

What would the max cyclic rate with this device be? The cyclic rate doesn't take into consideration reload time, merely the rate at which the firearm is able to fire rounds, period.

It may not be "automatic" under ATF standards but the other provision within RCW 9.42.010 that defines machine guns could cause one grief.

There is a difference between AND and OR. Read the clauses, just being capable of firing more than 5 shots a second does not make a semi auto a machine gun. Go to a USPSA competition, there's guys that can fire their handguns over 5 shots per second without any devices at all.
 
Jan 2013
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Mount Vernon
Didn't mean to revive an old thread but Wow, that's a baddass mod!! So is the SSAR-15 accessory illegal or not in WA State??
 
Jan 2009
1,318
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Kirkland, WA
I've seen nothing to indicate it isn't legal. I thought getting one might be fun -- not because I want to burn through tons of ammo, but more because it's the closest I can get to a full auto experience without leaving the state...
 
Nov 2009
463
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WA
A few people have come to me asking how to get their guns to cycle after installing these, kinda sounds like a steaming pile of ****. Not really a tactical advantage, not really good enough for suppressive fire but it does burn up ammo pretty quick. I'd spend the money on training and use the ammo you'd piss away to get good with your stock gun. A good carbine course would be a hell of a lot more fun than that money pit.

And why does no one use the sights when they fire guns with this abortion? WTF Rambo?
 
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