Best AR-15 Accessory Ever

JayD1981 · 07-09-2011, 10:47 PM

Had some fun today with my AR w/ SSAR15 stock. This is still a semi auto rifle, but much more fun now.

YouTube - SSAR-15

Inglewood · 07-09-2011, 11:15 PM

excuse my boner.

FatFugg · 07-10-2011, 12:33 AM

I think this is better!

pnwvolks · 07-10-2011, 12:35 AM

Very awesome not a fan of how it looks, but damn looks like fun!!!

JayD1981 · 07-10-2011, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by FatFugg

I think this is better!

Yea, that would be better, but that is not legal for us common folk.

FatFugg · 07-10-2011, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JayD1981

Yea, that would be better, but that is not legal for us common folk.

I know, I know!

deadshot2 · 07-10-2011, 06:19 AM

Looks like fun and the manufacturer claims that it has the ATF's "Blessing".

Wonder how Washington State will view it considering that this is their definition of "Machine Gun"

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RCW 9.41.010 Terms Defined

"Machine gun" means any firearm known as a machine gun, mechanical rifle, submachine gun, or any other mechanism or instrument not requiring that the trigger be pressed for each shot and having a reservoir clip, disc, drum, belt, or other separable mechanical device for storing, carrying, or supplying ammunition which can be loaded into the firearm, mechanism, or instrument, and fired therefrom at the rate of five or more shots per second.

Since the instructions require that one hold the trigger down to make it operate, and multiple shots are discharged without requiring the trigger to be released, I don't think one has much defense against prosecution in WA State for using one of these.

Just like with other devices where the ATF has changed their mind, I see a big risk of this happening with this one too.

68shooter · 07-10-2011, 10:57 AM

That is awesome!

I was looking at the review from another channel. Your finger does leave the trigger. So it should be legal?? It isn't constantly compressed down.

Either way that is freaking awesome!

JayD1981 · 07-10-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by deadshot2

Since the instructions require that one hold the trigger down to make it operate, and multiple shots are discharged without requiring the trigger to be released, I don't think one has much defense against prosecution in WA State for using one of these.

That is incorrect. Your finger sits on a shelf not the trigger. The trigger is pressed for each shot. The stock allows the rifle to bumpfire in a controlable manner. Your finger comes of the trigger after every shot, it just happens very quickly. The lightning link that was linked to earlier, that is a machine gun, this still a semi auto.

Metonymy · 07-10-2011, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by deadshot2

Looks like fun and the manufacturer claims that it has the ATF's "Blessing".

Wonder how Washington State will view it considering that this is their definition of "Machine Gun"

Since the instructions require that one hold the trigger down to make it operate, and multiple shots are discharged without requiring the trigger to be released, I don't think one has much defense against prosecution in WA State for using one of these.

Just like with other devices where the ATF has changed their mind, I see a big risk of this happening with this one too.

It's a possibility, but the concept is still the same. The trigger has to reset before being able to be pulled again to fire another shot. The internals themselves don't allow for the trigger to simply be held down once and only once.

By mechanical function, it still fits the letter of the law.

That of course doesn't mean the ATF won't change their mind at some point...

GixxerPete · 07-11-2011, 02:27 PM

Cool beans, but I can already burn through too much ammo too fast without a simulated auto setting!

deadshot2 · 07-12-2011, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Metonymy

It's a possibility, but the concept is still the same. The trigger has to reset before being able to be pulled again to fire another shot. The internals themselves don't allow for the trigger to simply be held down once and only once.

By mechanical function, it still fits the letter of the law.

That of course doesn't mean the ATF won't change their mind at some point...

There is another provision of WA Law that could be troublesome. The "5 Shots per second. This would be equal to a cyclic rate of 300 rounds per minute.

What would the max cyclic rate with this device be? The cyclic rate doesn't take into consideration reload time, merely the rate at which the firearm is able to fire rounds, period.

It may not be "automatic" under ATF standards but the other provision within RCW 9.42.010 that defines machine guns could cause one grief.

JayD1981 · 07-12-2011, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by deadshot2

There is another provision of WA Law that could be troublesome. The "5 Shots per second. This would be equal to a cyclic rate of 300 rounds per minute.

What would the max cyclic rate with this device be? The cyclic rate doesn't take into consideration reload time, merely the rate at which the firearm is able to fire rounds, period.

It may not be "automatic" under ATF standards but the other provision within RCW 9.42.010 that defines machine guns could cause one grief.

There is a difference between AND and OR. Read the clauses, just being capable of firing more than 5 shots a second does not make a semi auto a machine gun. Go to a USPSA competition, there's guys that can fire their handguns over 5 shots per second without any devices at all.

07-09-2011, 10:47 PM	#1
JayD1981 Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Richland, WA Posts: 150	Best AR-15 Accessory Ever Had some fun today with my AR w/ SSAR15 stock. This is still a semi auto rifle, but much more fun now. YouTube - SSAR-15

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07-09-2011, 11:15 PM	#2
Inglewood Gunslinger Joined: Mar 2011 From: Renton, WA Posts: 64	excuse my boner.

07-10-2011, 12:33 AM	#3
FatFugg Sharpshooter Joined: Jan 2009 From: Dri-Shities Posts: 563	I think this is better!

07-10-2011, 12:35 AM	#4
pnwvolks Gunslinger Joined: Dec 2010 From: Fall City Posts: 94	Very awesome not a fan of how it looks, but damn looks like fun!!!

07-10-2011, 10:57 AM	#8
68shooter Gunslinger Joined: May 2011 From: Tacoma Posts: 63	That is awesome! I was looking at the review from another channel. Your finger does leave the trigger. So it should be legal?? It isn't constantly compressed down. Either way that is freaking awesome!

07-11-2011, 02:27 PM	#11
GixxerPete Sharpshooter Joined: Jan 2009 From: Renton, WA Posts: 517	Cool beans, but I can already burn through too much ammo too fast without a simulated auto setting!