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Old 07-09-2011, 11:47 PM   #1
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Best AR-15 Accessory Ever

Had some fun today with my AR w/ SSAR15 stock. This is still a semi auto rifle, but much more fun now.

YouTube - SSAR-15
 
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Old 07-10-2011, 12:15 AM   #2
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excuse my boner.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 01:33 AM   #3
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I think this is better!
 
Old 07-10-2011, 01:35 AM   #4
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Very awesome not a fan of how it looks, but damn looks like fun!!!
 
Old 07-10-2011, 01:39 AM   #5
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Yea, that would be better, but that is not legal for us common folk.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 01:47 AM   #6
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Yea, that would be better, but that is not legal for us common folk.
I know, I know!
 
Old 07-10-2011, 07:19 AM   #7
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Looks like fun and the manufacturer claims that it has the ATF's "Blessing".

Wonder how Washington State will view it considering that this is their definition of "Machine Gun"

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RCW 9.41.010 Terms Defined


"Machine gun" means any firearm known as a machine gun, mechanical rifle, submachine gun, or any other mechanism or instrument not requiring that the trigger be pressed for each shot and having a reservoir clip, disc, drum, belt, or other separable mechanical device for storing, carrying, or supplying ammunition which can be loaded into the firearm, mechanism, or instrument, and fired therefrom at the rate of five or more shots per second.
Since the instructions require that one hold the trigger down to make it operate, and multiple shots are discharged without requiring the trigger to be released, I don't think one has much defense against prosecution in WA State for using one of these.

Just like with other devices where the ATF has changed their mind, I see a big risk of this happening with this one too.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 11:57 AM   #8
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That is awesome!

I was looking at the review from another channel. Your finger does leave the trigger. So it should be legal?? It isn't constantly compressed down.

Either way that is freaking awesome!
 
Old 07-10-2011, 11:59 AM   #9
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Since the instructions require that one hold the trigger down to make it operate, and multiple shots are discharged without requiring the trigger to be released, I don't think one has much defense against prosecution in WA State for using one of these.
That is incorrect. Your finger sits on a shelf not the trigger. The trigger is pressed for each shot. The stock allows the rifle to bumpfire in a controlable manner. Your finger comes of the trigger after every shot, it just happens very quickly. The lightning link that was linked to earlier, that is a machine gun, this still a semi auto.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 07:44 PM   #10
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Looks like fun and the manufacturer claims that it has the ATF's "Blessing".

Wonder how Washington State will view it considering that this is their definition of "Machine Gun"



Since the instructions require that one hold the trigger down to make it operate, and multiple shots are discharged without requiring the trigger to be released, I don't think one has much defense against prosecution in WA State for using one of these.

Just like with other devices where the ATF has changed their mind, I see a big risk of this happening with this one too.
It's a possibility, but the concept is still the same. The trigger has to reset before being able to be pulled again to fire another shot. The internals themselves don't allow for the trigger to simply be held down once and only once.

By mechanical function, it still fits the letter of the law.

That of course doesn't mean the ATF won't change their mind at some point...
 
Old 07-11-2011, 03:27 PM   #11
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Cool beans, but I can already burn through too much ammo too fast without a simulated auto setting!
 
Old 07-12-2011, 07:31 AM   #12
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It's a possibility, but the concept is still the same. The trigger has to reset before being able to be pulled again to fire another shot. The internals themselves don't allow for the trigger to simply be held down once and only once.

By mechanical function, it still fits the letter of the law.

That of course doesn't mean the ATF won't change their mind at some point...
There is another provision of WA Law that could be troublesome. The "5 Shots per second. This would be equal to a cyclic rate of 300 rounds per minute.

What would the max cyclic rate with this device be? The cyclic rate doesn't take into consideration reload time, merely the rate at which the firearm is able to fire rounds, period.

It may not be "automatic" under ATF standards but the other provision within RCW 9.42.010 that defines machine guns could cause one grief.
 
Old 07-12-2011, 10:13 AM   #13
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There is another provision of WA Law that could be troublesome. The "5 Shots per second. This would be equal to a cyclic rate of 300 rounds per minute.

What would the max cyclic rate with this device be? The cyclic rate doesn't take into consideration reload time, merely the rate at which the firearm is able to fire rounds, period.

It may not be "automatic" under ATF standards but the other provision within RCW 9.42.010 that defines machine guns could cause one grief.
There is a difference between AND and OR. Read the clauses, just being capable of firing more than 5 shots a second does not make a semi auto a machine gun. Go to a USPSA competition, there's guys that can fire their handguns over 5 shots per second without any devices at all.
 
Old 01-06-2013, 04:32 PM   #14
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Didn't mean to revive an old thread but Wow, that's a baddass mod!! So is the SSAR-15 accessory illegal or not in WA State??
 
Old 01-08-2013, 07:31 AM   #15
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Crickets.......
 
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lol


I don't think we actually know the answer..
 
Old 01-08-2013, 11:12 AM   #17
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I've seen nothing to indicate it isn't legal. I thought getting one might be fun -- not because I want to burn through tons of ammo, but more because it's the closest I can get to a full auto experience without leaving the state...
 
Old 01-08-2013, 05:48 PM   #18
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Legal! Last time I was at the WAC they had em.
 
Old 01-08-2013, 07:27 PM   #19
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Thanks guys!! And lol at richardlpalmer's signature.
 
Old 01-08-2013, 09:41 PM   #20
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A few people have come to me asking how to get their guns to cycle after installing these, kinda sounds like a steaming pile of shit. Not really a tactical advantage, not really good enough for suppressive fire but it does burn up ammo pretty quick. I'd spend the money on training and use the ammo you'd piss away to get good with your stock gun. A good carbine course would be a hell of a lot more fun than that money pit.

And why does no one use the sights when they fire guns with this abortion? WTF Rambo?

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Old 01-09-2013, 07:34 AM   #21
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Here's a guy using the sights
Slide Fire SSAR-15 Bump Fire Stock - YouTube

Another..
SSAR-15 ... 100 rounds of FUN! - YouTube

Another..
EASY BUMP FIRE!! SSAR-15 - YouTube

Another..
Slide Fire Solutions SSAR15 Lone Wolf Distributors 9mm Carbine Test - YouTube

I guess it depends on the shooter, guess JayD1981 (the guy who started this thread) loves to shoot Rambo style.
 
Old 01-09-2013, 01:38 PM   #22
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A few people have come to me asking how to get their guns to cycle after installing these, kinda sounds like a steaming pile of shit. Not really a tactical advantage, not really good enough for suppressive fire but it does burn up ammo pretty quick. I'd spend the money on training and use the ammo you'd piss away to get good with your stock gun. A good carbine course would be a hell of a lot more fun than that money pit.

And why does no one use the sights when they fire guns with this abortion? WTF Rambo?
Hater!
 
Old 01-09-2013, 03:10 PM   #23
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There is some Hatin happening hahaha. The Mens Room on KISW was talking about haters like a week ago..... Im crackin up!
 
Old 01-09-2013, 04:35 PM   #24
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To hate you have to care!
 
Old 01-09-2013, 06:02 PM   #25
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Hmmmmmm, ​touché good sir. ​Touché...
 
Old 01-09-2013, 10:34 PM   #26
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zing!!!!!
 
Old 03-01-2013, 06:07 PM   #27
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Cool Beans!
I'm still deciding weather this is the "Best AR-15 Accessory Ever?"

MagLink™ Magazine Coupler – PMAG® 30 GEN M2 MOE/GEN M3
 
Old 10-31-2013, 12:46 PM   #28
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A few people have come to me asking how to get their guns to cycle after installing these, kinda sounds like a steaming pile of shit. Not really a tactical advantage, not really good enough for suppressive fire but it does burn up ammo pretty quick. I'd spend the money on training and use the ammo you'd piss away to get good with your stock gun. A good carbine course would be a hell of a lot more fun than that money pit.

And why does no one use the sights when they fire guns with this abortion? WTF Rambo?
If their rifle works normally, it should work with the slide fire...... IF they get the method down. And provided there's enough recoil from the chosen ammo.
Tactical carbine courses are all well and good.... but sometimes rambo is fun.
YOU spend your money however you like, and remember that you have NO RIGHT to make judgement on how others spend their money and play with their toys.
Not entirely sure how you can equate a carbine course to a slidefire stock anyway.
 
Old 10-31-2013, 12:47 PM   #29
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And no, I don't own a slidefire.
 
Old 10-31-2013, 01:00 PM   #30
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If their rifle works normally, it should work with the slide fire...... IF they get the method down. And provided there's enough recoil from the chosen ammo.
Tactical carbine courses are all well and good.... but sometimes rambo is fun.
YOU spend your money however you like, and remember that you have NO RIGHT to make judgement on how others spend their money and play with their toys.
Not entirely sure how you can equate a carbine course to a slidefire stock anyway.
I have every right to my opinion. If you dont like it, dont listen. Thats what a discussion is, a sharing of opinions. As long as I'm not forcing anyone to do anything, which I'm not, its still free speech.

And your analysis of the weapon function may not be correct. Anytime you retard the initeria of a semi-auto weapon with movement, you decrease reliability. Like limp wristing your glock, it affects AR's too when people put mods like this on. Last time I checked my Colt armorer cert was still good but my slidefire certificate may have expired so I could be wrong.

But I'll concede that a carbine course and a slide fire have very little comparison. One you actually build skill and ability, the other you just make empty brass. I was actualy comparing fun though, and I'd find the learning something valuable is a lot more fun than blazing away like your favorite action hero....but that's just me. Your retard may very.

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Old 10-31-2013, 01:05 PM   #31
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I'm really not listening.
Just FYI.

It amuses me how people feel the need to insult something that they obviously haven't tried, and the people that HAVE, all in one fell swoop of the tactical keyboard.

LOL







See how I went from discussion to insults in that last bit there? Cool huh?

You edited out the "eat a dick" part. frowny face.

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Old 10-31-2013, 01:11 PM   #32
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And your analysis of the weapon function may not be correct. Anytime you retard the initeria of a semi-auto weapon with movement, you decrease reliability. Like limp wristing your glock, it affects AR's too when people put mods like this on.
That is correct.
Even a muzzle brake CAN affect the function.
HOWEVER....
Just about any .223/5.56 upper will work with the thing.
5.7....nope. LOL shocking that a round with no recoil won't effectively run a bumpfire stock.
dunno about the 5.45 yet.
Lots of different ammo in a number of uppers worked fine.
EDIT: all factory ammo, 55 gr and up
the steel case wolf crap wouldn't even cycle my del-ton in regular configiration, but ran the rifle and slidefire fine in another upper.

I haven't bought one because it's 300 bucks I don't wanna spend on that.
My renter DID. I've used his a few times.
It's giggly making.
 
Old 10-31-2013, 01:20 PM   #33
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All that bullshit aside


I'll probably end up with one (the new one is less ugly) while it's still on the ATF "OK" list.
 
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True. I didn't want you to tell me I couldn't insult someone's sexual preference. Since you appointed yourself the opinon police, I didn't want you to feel it would be a full time job.
 
Old 10-31-2013, 01:33 PM   #35
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All that bullshit aside


I'll probably end up with one (the new one is less ugly) while it's still on the ATF "OK" list.
And that's awesome for you! I hope it's everything you dream it will be.
 
Old 10-31-2013, 01:40 PM   #36
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You can insult whatever you like.
Especially when you've never tried it.
'Cause that makes you look SMRT. hyuck hyuck

And beings that I HAVE tried a slide fire, it has nothing to do with what I "dream it will be".
Another failed attempt at an insult (that makes me scoff at you).
Gotta try harder than that.

I actually dreamed of being chased by a goddamned BIG crocodile at my work.

That was definitely a WTF dream.
 
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See, you're still making assumptions. I have tried one. It is everything I expected. The original post was made back in January and we've had people come through class with them. They're not allowed for duty but guys show up with weird shit thinking they can shoot our ammo. A few malfunctions, mostly double feeds. If that works for you, knock yourself out.

But I see guns as tools, not toys. Again, I hope you get lots of enjoyment out of your slidefire.
 
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Keep it civil fucktards....



for the record.

bumpfire is a cute range trick.. and is great for getting through rounds.. if that's your thing.
 
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Thought I was Josh....I even edited out my comment that he needed to "Eat a Dick", thought that was very civil.

Kind of an olive branch.
 
Old 10-31-2013, 02:20 PM   #40
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Id rather just have friends with full autos.
 
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