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Old 07-17-2011, 01:00 AM   #1
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Florida ccw holder-now live in washington-am I covered?

So I had just received my concealed weapons permit for Florida which ended up taking well over 6 months, when I decided to move back to washington. My florida permit has reciprocity in washington and like 25 other states or so, do I need a washington permit as I am now a washington resident? I'd rather not pay for another permit if it isn't necessary..My florida permit does not state resident or non resident on the permit it just shows I have a florida permit. This is a good one to have as well, I believe it has almost as much reciprocity as the utah permit. So I should be good right? I live in washington and have a valid florida permit and always carry..
 
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Old 07-17-2011, 01:05 AM   #2
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As a resident of WA, you must get a WA concealed pistol license. They recognize other's permits for visitors, but not for residents. You could probably get by as long as you have a FL license, but not once you have ID from here.
 
Old 07-17-2011, 07:18 AM   #3
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As a resident of WA, you must get a WA concealed pistol license. They recognize other's permits for visitors, but not for residents. You could probably get by as long as you have a FL license, but not once you have ID from here.
But shouldn't he keep his Florida CPL valid too, if at all possible, just for the reciprocity?
 
Old 07-17-2011, 09:27 AM   #4
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I would think the law would state that as a permanent WA resident and holder of a WA ccw, you would forfeit the Florida permit..
 
Old 07-17-2011, 10:28 AM   #5
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I would think the law would state that as a permanent WA resident and holder of a WA ccw, you would forfeit the Florida permit..
That depends on Florida. WA issues the same permit to residents and non-residents, so if you were to move out of WA, you wouldn't forfeit your WA permit. If FL works the same, I would believe it would just become a non-resident, and in that case would be worth keeping for the states WA doesn't have reciprocity agreements with.
 
Old 07-17-2011, 02:40 PM   #6
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I would think the law would state that as a permanent WA resident and holder of a WA ccw, you would forfeit the Florida permit..
Your right BB, My Alabama ccw was no longer valid once I obtained my Washington DL. You will have to get a Washington one once you establish residencey( This is what was explained at the SO when I went in to get a Washington one), I've never heard of a ccw taking that long to be issued. Did it get lost in the mail or something?

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Old 07-17-2011, 07:10 PM   #7
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After reading through FL's laws on their CCW (790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm.), it does not even mention residency other than being a US citizen or legal resident. It sounds like it is the same permit issued to everyone regardless of state residency. Thus your FL permit will still be valid as a non-resident, it will just knock off a few states that do not respect non-resident permits.

Either way, once you establish residency here, you need to get a WA CPL.
 
Old 07-17-2011, 08:23 PM   #8
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I guess I need to study the washington law, it doesn't make sense to forfeit my FL permit for my WA permit and have one that has reciprocity with less states. And why would you have to forfeit your Alabama permit to get your WA permit? Alot of WA permit holders take classes for the Utah permit and have reciprocity in more states, don't they have an additional permit to their WA permit? They don't forfeit their WA permit when they get a non resident permit. Am I missing something here? Does Washington not have reciprocity with Alabama and that's why you had to forfeit your Alabama permit? Or does any one who establishes residency have to forfeit whatever permits they have? What if I decide to move back to Florida in 6 months? Do I now have to forfeit my WA permit and re-apply for my Florida permit? So what's the point in reciprocity if you have to get a permit for that state each time you change residency? What if I decide to move to another state that has reciprocity with WA. Again would I have to do the same process all over again? Does a CPL have reciprocity only for when you are traveling to another state but not if you decide to live there? Sorry for all the crazy questions but my Brother lives in Missouri and has a VA permit that is still good for 5 years, wouldn't he be able to keep that as long as it was still valid and then when it expired have to apply for a Missouri permit?
 
Old 07-17-2011, 10:16 PM   #9
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Sorry for all the crazy questions, you stated off the bat that Washington accepts non resident permits but a permanent resident needs a Washington cpl makes sense so far, its just the part about forfeiting your current license that doesn't make sense. There are many Washington residents that have multiple permits so they can carry in more states than if they had only the Washington permit alone. That's why I don't see why I should have to void my Florida permit in order to get a Washington permit is all.
 
Old 07-17-2011, 10:42 PM   #10
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Sorry for all the crazy questions, you stated off the bat that Washington accepts non resident permits but a permanent resident needs a Washington cpl makes sense so far, its just the part about forfeiting your current license that doesn't make sense. There are many Washington residents that have multiple permits so they can carry in more states than if they had only the Washington permit alone. That's why I don't see why I should have to void my Florida permit in order to get a Washington permit is all.
You DO NOT have to void your FL permit. I'm sure gravey didn't actually void his either. The reason his was no long valid is because AL only issues resident CPL's. Thus when he gave up residency, his CPL was no longer valid. Your FL CCW will still be valid when your a WA resident, it will just be considered a nonresident CCW. FL issues permits to both residents and nonresidents with no difference in permits (as far as I could find), so they only way to tell is by what drivers license you use with it. However if you are a WA resident, then you must have a WA CPL to conceal a pistol. I hope that makes sense to you. You might need to update FL with your new address though if you want to get your renewal notice.
 
Old 07-17-2011, 10:44 PM   #11
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Am I missing where anyone said you would have to surrender your FL CPL?

From what I am reading you should be able to keep & renew your FL CPL, but you will also need a WA CPL being as you are now a WA resident.
 
Old 07-17-2011, 10:51 PM   #12
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To try to make things a little simplier, some states require residents to have that states CPL to conceal (WA being one of them). That is why you need to get a WA CPL.

Now you have states that issue to residents and/or nonresidents. With a state that only issues to residents, you lose your CPL when you become a nonresident. FL is a shall issue state for both residents and nonresidents so your CPL should still be valid until it expires.

Now a few states only have reciprocity agreements with resident CPLs only. Since you are a WA resident, your FL CPL will no longer cover you in those states. Off the top of my head CO is a state that does that.

usacarry.com is a great site that shows who honors what and gives some of the laws of each state.
 
Old 07-18-2011, 07:06 AM   #13
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usacarry.com is a great site that shows who honors what and gives some of the laws of each state.
Also Handgunlaw.us. This site is updated regularly.
 
Old 07-18-2011, 06:34 PM   #14
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Ok, makes sense, it was biggg bruce who stated I would have to surrender my permit and then echoed by gravey86 that he lost his Alabama cpl when he got his Washington cpl. I didn't take into consideration that this is going to differ depending on which state your cpl is from. So like JayD said he didn't actualy forfeit his Alabama permit to get a Washington permit, his Alabama permit was forfeited because he moved out of Alabama. It was just such a pain in the arse getting my FL permit that I was not too stoked about losing or applying for another. FL concealed firearms permits come from 1 source the dept. of licensing and agriculture in Tallahassee I believe. All of the permits come from that 1 source and they were on a minimum 4 month back log before they even looked at your application. They had a question regarding a misdemeanor possession of marijuana charge from 2006 in Virginia that was a no prolequi. A no process which at the time I believed was as good as a dismissal. It was a case of pin the tail on the donkey when my friend got pulled over for not coming to a full stop at a stop sign, which quickly turned into a search for what reason I can't even remember, but at the time I had 6 months sober and was pretty pissed off when he decided to go for a bogo and assigned me the gram he found in the vehicle (not my vehicle) as the driver had a joint in his pack of cigarettes that I didn't even know he had until we were getting searched. I was catching up with an old friend and turned into this mess. So I lawyered up dropped a grand on a retainer and went to fight. The prosecution offered me some b.s.deal before trial and I turned them down. My lawyer went back and told them that I wanted to go to trial and planned on pleading not guilty. The prosecution realized they weren't going to be able to bully me into their great "deal" and suddenly lost their interest in prosecuting me. My lawyer came back with their offer for no prolesqui-no process and I thought I was golden. Now every time some one runs a back ground check they see this no process and I have to explain it. I sent them a notorized copy of the courts final disposition which was the no process. Any time they would have had to bring charges back up had elapsed and I had never plead guilty our been convicted of any crime and after all the run around Florida issued me my permit. I'm afraid I'll have to go through all of that again here. I've never had a problem purchasing a firearm in Washington or anywhere else but I don't know if Washington is going to trip about me being accused of a misdemeanor possession of marijuana in Virginia in 06...
 
Old 07-18-2011, 06:53 PM   #15
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So I ran into a couple gentle men out here promoting open carry and gave me a pamphlet with some of washington's laws regarding carrying. For a temporary solution I think I will be ok with an unloaded pistol in my console and can even have loaded magazines so long as they are not in the gun and won't bed a permit to do that. I still will apply for a cpl but in the meantime...My wife and commute to work together after dropping our daughter off at daycare. I saw a 12 year old boy get run down and shot to death my first month back here and don't plan on leaving the house with my wife and daughter unarmed.
 
Old 07-18-2011, 07:43 PM   #16
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Here are the requirements from DOL's site:

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You must meet all of the following requirements to get a concealed pistol license:

Be 21 years of age or older at time of application.
Be a United States citizen or a permanent resident alien with permanent resident card or “green card.”
Have no pending trial, appeal, or sentencing on a charge that would prohibit you from having a license.
Have no outstanding warrants for any charge, from any court.
Have no court order or injunction against possessing a firearm.
Have no mental health conditions that would prohibit you from having a license.
Have no felony convictions, or adjudications for a felony offense, in this state or elsewhere. “Felony” means any felony offense under the laws of Washington, or any federal or out-of-state offense comparable to a felony offense under the laws of Washington.
Have no convictions for any of the following crimes committed by one family member against another on or after July 1, 1993:
Assault IV
Coercion
Stalking
Reckless Endangerment
Criminal Trespass in the first degree
Violation of the provisions of a protection order or no-contact order restraining the person or excluding the person from the residence
A misdeameanor possession offense should not stop you from getting a CPL at all here either. Also if your interested in open carry, opencarry.org is a great resource. I often open carry myself, but I do have a CPL to avoid unloading everytime I get into a car.

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Old 07-18-2011, 08:31 PM   #17
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Thanks for all the help, the pamphlet they gave me had a photo copy of a couple things from open carry and the web address. So I am ok carrying unloaded in my console righteven with loaded mags there as well. I was thinking about carrying that little pamphlet from open carry with me in case I was questioned about it. That is just a temporary fix but works for now, I can't carry during the day anyways, I would get canned for bringing one with me and my wife works in a hospital which is a definite no go so the pistol stays locked in the truck out if sight unloaded while we are at work. I'll still apply for my Washington cpl though. Thanks again.
 
Old 07-18-2011, 08:54 PM   #18
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Sorry about that, When I went in to the Sherrif's office in 2001 when I moved here I wanted to see what steps I needed to take to be able to still carry and be legal in the state ( plans where to only be in the state for about a year). At that time the Sherrif told me that Alabama was not reconized by Washington and that if I had planned on becoming a permit resident then I would have to get a new permit for the state. Things might have changed since then, now I did talk to someone a few weeks ago about the utha permit and they sadi there are a few states that don't reconize them. Is there any truth to that? Again, Sorry newbie.

Just checked and the state still does not reconize Alabama. Reciprocity not available due to more stringent Washington laws.

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Old 07-18-2011, 09:10 PM   #19
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Concealed Weapon Reciprocity
 
Old 07-19-2011, 09:45 PM   #20
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Yeah I didn't pay attention to the non reciprocity with Alabama part. But still they didn't physically take your old Alabama permit did they? Or I guess if there is no reciprocity with the state of Washington and moving out of your residence in Alabama and taking up residence in Washington would make your Alabama permit void as Alabama doesn't issue non residenpermits that would kind of make sense to take your Alabama permit the same way you turn over your drivers license when you got your drivers license for a new state..
 
Old 07-19-2011, 09:53 PM   #21
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They didn't take it, just kept it in a drawer for a few years. Alabama permits are only valid for 1 year which sucks but only cost $20 and you have it in 10-15 mins too. State never took my AL DL either, I have that thing around here somewhere
 
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