Mandatory training/gun safety class for CPL?

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May 2011
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Woodinville WA
Also, Do you think it would be a good idea for more states to enact the same policy?

Yup. I'm a huge gun fan, and would own ALL OF THEM :grin: if I could afford them! But I support all reasonable "hurdles" to gun ownership. If you've ever looked at a loser and thought "man there ought to be a license required to have a kid" you're being a huge hypocrite if you don't think the same thing about guns.

For the record I don't think waiting periods help anything. Background checks yes. But if someone goes to the gun store with the intent of getting a gun to cap a MOFO they are mad at, is 5 days really going to make a difference? "Man... I spent 500 bucks, and now I don't even remember why I wanted to kill him!":hmmmm2:
 
May 2011
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NW Quadrant WA State
Lots of States require training in order to obtain a CPL or their equivalent.

There is not standardization though so what is acceptable in one State isn't even a bare minimum compared to another. Some states require a demonstration of one's ability to hit a target at varying distances and others don't even care if you know how to load it as long as you can pass a test.

Some states require classroom training and a test while others allow you to take an online test to fulfill training requirements.

Utah has a course that is taught all over the country so people can get a Utah non-resident license. Requires classroom training. Florida allows one that has served in the Military to provide a copy of their DD-214 to cover the training requirements.

With that kind of variety is there really any benefit?

I too believe in training for carrying a handgun. Not so much for proficiency but in the laws that cover the use of deadly force in Self Defense.

The biggest obstacles to introducing a training requirement is the belief by many that this would be an unwarranted infringement. Couple that with the profiteering motive by trainers, the fight over standards for training, and the desire of Law Enforcement to take control of the process, and I agree, it would be an infringement but of a different sort. An infringement due to the bureaucracy, not law.
 
May 2011
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Woodinville WA
An infringement due to the bureaucracy, not law.

That's kind of what I mean by "reasonable hurdle". Any obstacle to getting a gun should be based on logic, not fear or bureaucracy. Basic background check for ownership. You want to carry in public? Then sure, why not proficiency testing. My club will give you a key to the pistol range to shoot off hours if you qualify for proficiency. Isn't even that hard. 6 out of 10 in the black on a B-17 target at 25 yards.
 
Jan 2011
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Grandview, WA
Course for CPL

To get a conceal carry permit in Oregon you have to have a class. We live close to Oregon border and see class ads in newspapers frequently.
 
Jan 2009
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Dri-Shities
I may get bashed for this, but I think all states should require at least a knowledge test if not a skills test.

Personally, I found it ridiculous that when I was 21 all I had to do was go down, fill out the paperwork, get fingerprints, wait for them to verify that I wasn't a criminal & voila I'm legal to carry a pistol! With VERY little firearms experience & "0" pistol experience, the state of Washington decided I was competent to carry a pistol!

Luckily, I spent some time at the ranges & made some friends that had a lot of firearms knowledge & I sponged off of them & from books.
 
Apr 2011
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Corvallis, OR
2nd Amendment is a god given right, i dont support government regulation where it can be avoided, i dont think another hurdle is the way to save people or to make them earn a given right, they may lose that right later, but i cant support that kind of regulation, we can police that with current laws and common sense...
 
Dec 2009
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Graham, Wa
I'm from Texas originally, and training was required there. But you had to go through a state approved course, and it was expensive. In the end, it was around $500 for the license and training. Poor people should be allowed to defend themselves too, don't ya think? The state pays for driver safety, why not gun safety? It doesn't matter if gun rights die by quick legislation, or slow suffocation.. Once those rights are gone, they're gone.

Guncurious. Here we are talking about this again. Didn't you listen the last time? Changing the way you ask a question in hopes that you'll get a different answer, doesn't change anything. Incremental erosion of rights is still erosion of rights. You keep floating by us these worn out gun control ideas to see what "gun people" think of them. I have an idea. Instead of asking people on the internet what they think about guns, why don't you go to a gun range and rent a gun. Better yet, go spend a few hundred dollars on a training course. Oh, you don't have the money for that? Well, not everyone does. Why shouldn't the government say you have to go through a training course before you can OWN a gun? It sounds perfectly legitimate, right? Until you realize that you're CHARGING PEOPLE TO EXCERCISE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to keep and bear arms. Why not require training on voting? You know, $2 or 300 to train you on history and civic responsibility. Voting is too important to be in the hands of the ignorant, right? You see the slippery slope?

The vast majority of gun "accidents" don't happen when CPL licensees are carrying. It's suicides and accidents in the home. The really preventable accidents are kids getting their parents guns, and that's a small fraction of the total number of gun deaths per year. And there are training programs available through the NRA. So why doesn't the state encourage the Eddie Eagle programs in schools? Why aren't there aggressive training programs for kids? There's your big piece of information to put on whatever school paper you're writing.
 
May 2011
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NW Quadrant WA State
To get a conceal carry permit in Oregon you have to have a class. We live close to Oregon border and see class ads in newspapers frequently.

If I'm not mistaken Oregon accepts the Maryland "Online" Test for firearm safety as qualified training. If so I guess it is a step forward. Can't really insure safety or proficiency but it's better than some training which amounts to "the bullet comes out this end" type.
 
Apr 2011
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Oregon
2nd Amendment is a god given right, i dont support government regulation where it can be avoided, i dont think another hurdle is the way to save people or to make them earn a given right, they may lose that right later, but i cant support that kind of regulation, we can police that with current laws and common sense...

2nd Amendment is not god given... It was written by our founding fathers as a means to protect our country from those who would object to our independence.

Guns are not for everyone. All to often I am at the range. When some yahoo pulls up with "the gun I just bought today" and is not able to handle his gun safely.
I put down my gun down and step behind them for 2 reasons, 1.not to get shot 2. to provide basic training that they should have recieved before they were handed the gun.
 
May 2011
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Woodinville WA
If I'm not mistaken Oregon accepts the Maryland "Online" Test for firearm safety as qualified training. If so I guess it is a step forward. Can't really insure safety or proficiency but it's better than some training which amounts to "the bullet comes out this end" type.

Totally support this, or proof of any NRA basic safety course, which should in my useless opinion, be the national standard. Ever see some of the more advanced NRA courses? They aren't as Ninjafied as some of the famous tactical schools, but they are rock solid.

I don't support adding a "means test" into the process. $500 is beyond ridiculous! Fishing licenses are getting crazy too, but anything over a low paperwork processing charge is out of line IMHO when you consider a carry license doesn't grant access to a shared resource that is supposedly "patroled by agents" like a fishing license does.

I just want folks to have basic firearm safety knowledge and be able to score at least 60 at 15 yards. Which is ridiculously easy. And yes, if you can't do that, I don't think you should be allowed to carry in public. I would love to require periodic requals too, but that starts getting complicated, and it's an added expense on the shooter.
 
Apr 2011
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Corvallis, OR
2nd Amendment is not god given... It was written by our founding fathers as a means to protect our country from those who would object to our independence.

Guns are not for everyone. All to often I am at the range. When some yahoo pulls up with "the gun I just bought today" and is not able to handle his gun safely.
I put down my gun down and step behind them for 2 reasons, 1.not to get shot 2. to provide basic training that they should have recieved before they were handed the gun.

you are correct god didnt give me that right, but may as well of imo...

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

i think adding tests and such infringe, 1: violate, transgress 2: encroach, trespass that right, if they later prove themselves incapable that can be dealt with without adding more rules and complications...

i want less regulations not more...
 
May 2011
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Woodinville WA
i want less regulations not more...

So do I. But I also don't want a mall-ninja pulling out a sig, and holding it sideways, shooting at a bad guy with me and my family in the background. I don't want you in public holding a gun unless you know how to use it. I see so many idiots at the range it ain't funny.
 
Jan 2009
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Dri-Shities
So do I. But I also don't want a mall-ninja pulling out a sig, and holding it sideways, shooting at a bad guy with me and my family in the background. I don't want you in public holding a gun unless you know how to use it. I see so many idiots at the range it ain't funny.

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Apr 2011
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Corvallis, OR
So do I. But I also don't want a mall-ninja pulling out a sig, and holding it sideways, shooting at a bad guy with me and my family in the background. I don't want you in public holding a gun unless you know how to use it. I see so many idiots at the range it ain't funny.

sadly being stupid isnt usually illegal, but the range might want to look at banning those that violate range policy.
but i agree common sense isnt common, nor is it in great supply these days...
 
May 2011
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Woodinville WA
sadly being stupid isnt usually illegal, but the range might want to look at banning those that violate range policy.
but i agree common sense isnt common, nor is it in great supply these days...

The range, heck all ranges in King County are in a very delicate position politically. Survival is always in question. You have to let the public shoot. The range masters do a great job, but someone can put themselves and others in danger faster than anyone can react. The rules are clear, and there are preemptive rules, like if you can't put shots on the paper, you will be asked to leave. But you have to let folks demonstrate they need to be asked to leave.
 
Dec 2009
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Graham, Wa
So do I. But I also don't want a mall-ninja pulling out a sig, and holding it sideways, shooting at a bad guy with me and my family in the background. I don't want you in public holding a gun unless you know how to use it. I see so many idiots at the range it ain't funny.

Because that happens all the time, right?

sadly being stupid isnt usually illegal, but the range might want to look at banning those that violate range policy.
but i agree common sense isnt common, nor is it in great supply these days...

This. The government doesnt need to enforce range policy. Can some of you even imagine what life would be like if you didn't have an all intrusive government in every aspect of your life? And yes, the right to defend myself is god given. The right to live a free life is god given.

I hope everyone realizes that Guncurious is a budding anti-gunner, and your posts are just helping him form his opinions. Think about that when you post.
 
May 2011
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Woodinville WA
So, you mean this has happened at least once?

You want to search it up go ahead. I have better things to do. If someone sees no benefit to forcing people to prove they can hit the side of a barn before letting them conceal carry, they just may be leaning toward the fanatic side and I see no reason to debate with them. We always hear "If someone had been at that arizona shooting with a gun a tragedy could have been avoided!" Only if they could actually shoot, under a butt load of pressure.

"If we don't let everybody carry, I could lose my right to carry" is not a good argument to me. It's far more likely that if we aren't careful of who we let carry, we will all lose our right to carry. It'll only take one case of 3 innocents getting shot by well meaning citizen, when the bad guy only shot 2 to start a ****-storm our carry rights might not survive. We make people prove they can keep a car inside in the white lines. We make people prove they can actually see to get a license. That's discrimination right there! I see no difference.
 
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