Since everyone on PNW Guns likely thinks similar I have a question...

Jims08Z06 · Feb 25, 2013

Beings I've been around over Six Decades. I have had a chance to witness many changes in this country. Personally I feel our rights have never been more at risk than now. Leaving the argument out as to the Assault weapon, large capacity magazine ban/restrictions; Possibly leading to the evidential registration and ultimate ban on privately owned firearms. Do you think it wise to post descriptions of the weapons, magazines complete with number of items for the world/government to see? I will admit that I'm likely more paranoid than most, but when one considers what I have lived through; The Assassination of the Greatest President of the Twentieth Century. To my service in the Vietnam War. To all the little skirmishes to this Iraq Afghanistan mess. And now the assault on law abiding citizens rights, I don't know how else I could feel. So what do you folks think?
...AJ

RK600 · Feb 25, 2013

They don't have serial numbers....can't prove they are yours just because you posted a pic of it on the internet. I could have taken those pics from anywhere....they aren't mine!

I think you're right. We need LESS government, not more. The more rules you put in place, the more of a mess you get. Proven time and time again.

Jims08Z06 · Feb 25, 2013

RK600 said:
They don't have serial numbers....can't prove they are yours just because you posted a pic of it on the internet. I could have taken those pics from anywhere....they aren't mine!

I think you're right. We need LESS government, not more. The more rules you put in place, the more of a mess you get. Proven time and time again.

OK good enough, (They ain't mine) Got Ya. So let's go further, do you think these latest proposals will lead to the evidential ban on privately owned firearms. (unless one can prove a need, competition shooter, cop/security guard, etc) Maybe rephrase it a tad; Do you think they are just inching closer and closer to their ultimate agenda? ...AJ

pnwvolks · Feb 25, 2013

The idea of the left is to push bills like these over and over again every few years till finally they get passed. If the government wants to know something about me then they probably already know it. Therefor what is the point in hiding things that are not illegal.

Jims08Z06 · Feb 25, 2013

pnwvolks said:
The idea of the left is to push bills like these over and over again every few years till finally they get passed. If the government wants to know something about me then they probably already know it. Therefor what is the point in hiding things that are not illegal.

I have to agree with you on they know me. Considering as a Veteran they have everything from the time of enlistment to the present. I follow the law to the letter, (well maybe a little speeding once in a while) but what if someday your legal weapons are listed as Illegal. And to comply with the law you must turn them in, then what? If one has described complete with pictures your stash? The talk of they will never take mine, makes me wonder if persons making those statements understand what that would/ could really mean? (Ruby Ridge/Waco Texas) With registration and lists, it's very easy to link weapons to the owners and door to door inspections could take place...AJ

sunofnun · Feb 25, 2013

I'm not too worried about pic's on the interwebz..

but I do worry about banning/registering/confiscating weapons.

I'm too smart to ignore every piece of evidence that points to disarming trends.

The problem as I see it the voting majority are urban based liberal minded individuals. I see a shift going towards a perceived "utopian" society.. unfortunately reality is, there is no such thing.

I have no doubt people will voluntarily give away their rights for the promise of safety. Unfortunately there is no way for our government/local forces to guarantee anyones safety. That leaves the rest of us who are not foolish enough to "trust the system" or rely on others for basic needs at odds with our families, co-workers, friends and peers.

We are faced with a more polite society. A more civilized approach to life.. a more tolerant general public. People (like us) who are able to cope with a much harder existence are considered irrelevant.

Hunting
Fishing
Trapping
Butchering
Farming
Building
Protecting
Fighting
Surviving

None of these are part of reality or in the vocabulary of the people casting votes.
Things like this are considered irrelevant by the majority of the "sheep"

Wolves are scary.. they should turn in their teeth.

MadManx · Feb 25, 2013

I don't own any PDW's. If I had any, I wouldn't be telling the world that I did.

qballrail · Feb 26, 2013

sunofnun said:
I have no doubt people will voluntarily give away their rights for the promise of safety. Unfortunately there is no way for our government/local forces to guarantee anyones safety. That leaves the rest of us who are not foolish enough to "trust the system" or rely on others for basic needs at odds with our families, co-workers, friends and peers.

I think therein lies our problem. The Government wants to give the illusion that people will be safer. "We'll protect you" is like the famous last words, "Trust me!" People want something unrealistic but the guvmit says they will give that if we give up this freedom or that freedom. Government is NOT there to protect us! Our government was establish to serve US. We are responsible for our own safety and security. Government cannot bring you happiness, that's your problem. But Oblabbermouth and Bidenbarf are selling that bill of goods. People need to stop relying on the Government for our rights and comfort. Our rights were neither given to us by them nor are they to be taken from us by them. When people finally wake up and realize this, we can put things right, so long as it's not too late. :banghead: Stay out of my affairs and mind your own business. Make laws that We the People approve of and balance the damn budget, that we also approve of. Other than that, it's up to us, the people. We don't need a Nanny State.

Jims08Z06 · Feb 26, 2013

sunofnun said:
I'm not too worried about pic's on the interwebz..

but I do worry about banning/registering/confiscating weapons.

I'm too smart to ignore every piece of evidence that points to disarming trends.

The problem as I see it the voting majority are urban based liberal minded individuals. I see a shift going towards a perceived "utopian" society.. unfortunately reality is, there is no such thing.

I have no doubt people will voluntarily give away their rights for the promise of safety. Unfortunately there is no way for our government/local forces to guarantee anyones safety. That leaves the rest of us who are not foolish enough to "trust the system" or rely on others for basic needs at odds with our families, co-workers, friends and peers.

We are faced with a more polite society. A more civilized approach to life.. a more tolerant general public. People (like us) who are able to cope with a much harder existence are considered irrelevant.

Hunting
Fishing
Trapping
Butchering
Farming
Building
Protecting
Fighting
Surviving

None of these are part of reality or in the vocabulary of the people casting votes.
Things like this are considered irrelevant by the majority of the "sheep"

Wolves are scary.. they should turn in their teeth.

qballrail said:
I think therein lies our problem. The Government wants to give the illusion that people will be safer. "We'll protect you" is like the famous last words, "Trust me!" People want something unrealistic but the guvmit says they will give that if we give up this freedom or that freedom. Government is NOT there to protect us! Our government was establish to serve US. We are responsible for our own safety and security. Government cannot bring you happiness, that's your problem. But Oblabbermouth and Bidenbarf are selling that bill of goods. People need to stop relying on the Government for our rights and comfort. Our rights were neither given to us by them nor are they to be taken from us by them. When people finally wake up and realize this, we can put things right, so long as it's not too late. :banghead: Stay out of my affairs and mind your own business. Make laws that We the People approve of and balance the damn budget, that we also approve of. Other than that, it's up to us, the people. We don't need a Nanny State.

Two of the most agreed with posts I have read, since becoming a member of the PNW family. I hope it doesn't take a disaster like the "Crash" of 29 or an other 911 to FINALLY wake up Americans...AJ

thejrod · Feb 26, 2013

Jims08Z06 said:
Do you think it wise to post descriptions of the weapons, magazines complete with number of items for the world/government to see?

I don't think it's unwise at all. They're not going to come knocking on doors after seeing pictures on the internet.
It's a stretch to even think they'll come knocking on doors at all in our lifetimes. Not to say we shouldn't be diligent in preventing that worst case scenario, but that would be a serious assault on the Constitution.

devanjones · Feb 26, 2013

thejrod said:
I don't think it's unwise at all. They're not going to come knocking on doors after seeing pictures on the internet.
It's a stretch to even think they'll come knocking on doors at all in our lifetimes. Not to say we shouldn't be diligent in preventing that worst case scenario, but that would be a serious assault on the Constitution.

It's an erosion of our rights. We have to do our part to prevent this erosion of our rights as citizens of the United States of America. Which is to say we all have a part to play and something we can do, but I don't think it will come to door to door searches of our homes while I'm alive (and I'm only 20). So while we oughta fight tooth and nail to keep them from turning us into New York, California, or ******* Europe, in my opinion we don't need to worry about posting pictures of what may possibly be our own weapons or not with no way to prove it.

qballrail · Feb 26, 2013

We DESPERATELY need to return to a Constitutional Law government. We are too lenient and protective of criminals, politicians are not held accountable, and things are in a total clusterfuck and it's going to take US, CITIZENS to correct it. We need an Emergency Recall Election of ALL elected officials in Congress, return to the Constitutional Law like I said above and make them accountable! No more 2-day work weeks then a week long vacation. I don't think many realize Congress and the President took vacation last week. They haven't been in session more than a month and ALREADY on vacation? Not to mention the separate vacations the Obamas took, even the girls went on their own trip. This really angers me. I am tired of them basically collecting welfare off us and taking pleasure cruises whenever the mood strikes. No more expensive dresses or fancy hair-do's for the First (choke) Lady (choke).

On a side note, does anyone realize Michelle bitched because some actors at the Oscars last night wore more expensive looking dresses? It was on this morning's news.

This bullshit has to stop. Congress makes way too much, the President as well. Using taxpayer's $$ to fly around in AF1 to CAMPAIGN for his gun-rights agenda is really blasting the envelope. This is complete waste, no wonder he's jacked up the deficit $5t+ since taking office! But to campaign AGAINST our rights using OUR tax dollars? That's too much.

They all have to go. Now. I'm tired of my rights being trampled on and I'm sure I'm not the only one. When did we become subjects and politicians become royalty? When did they start issuing orders to US? These rights bestowed upon us were not granted by the government, nor the Founding Fathers. They were outlined in our Constitution. These are inalienable rights given to mankind NOT by another government, not another man, but by GOD. Who the hell do they think they are trampling all over the Constitution which was written partly to get them where they are (not to confuse with the abuses, just the office they hold)? Is an Emergency Recall Election even legal? Can we even do it? If so, why have we not taken that action?

I know some members of PWG are former military and also active duty. Thank you for your service. And, it is that very service that we do not want to have gone in vain! The sacrifices our warriors in wars past made for our Liberty and Freedom. If we let these imposters and liars take our country like this, then their sacrifice has gone in vain. It is our inalienable right to protect ourselves from criminals AND tyrannical governments just like we have now and it would be a shame (does not come close to really describing it) for their sacrifice to be nullified for the selfish desires of these criminals. I, for one, do not want that. I want a restoral to our original Constitutional Law where we have our Liberties and Freedoms uninfringed.

Okay, I'm off my soapbox now... but I know I'm preaching to the choir, yet, hopefully, someone might read this and realize just what is at stake and the promises Oblabbermouth has made and broken just for votes, perhaps realize the enormity of the situation we are faced with.

yance1270 · Mar 15, 2013

how can we the people do anything?? we write letters ?? which get shredded = we take a stand and our families are shot and burned.. ( ID and TX) i was in waco when that went down.. no crime scene investigation, just burn the evildoers and move on. our gvmt is out of control and it will take another revolution to get it back.. i dont consider myself an anarchist - - but that is what i think.. when armored personnel carriers start rollin in the streets of america - the movie red dawn will have come true -- except our own gvmt will be hunting us - not russians or viet cong. - so with that all said.. what can we actively do>> march on washington?? that works for all the gays and lesbians.. or would they shoot us in the street? i have a very bad feeling about how this mess will be resolved. we can pray for peace - - but the devil is at our doorsteps.. or may be soon - those of us who fought for our country may have to again - - against tyranny from within.. these are some of my thoughts on this topic.. yall all have a good weekend.
GOD BLESS AMERICA

MadManx · Mar 15, 2013

Only the Police and Government have assault weapons. We have PDW's

Trick · Mar 18, 2013

Back to the OP.....I think some paranoia is a good thing up till the point it seriously affects your day to day operations. It is not paranoid to know that what is happening now is a direct attack on our liberties as set under the 2A. That is just common sense.

Something is coming down the government sewer line and I also fear what is going to drop out the opening.

Jims08Z06 · Mar 18, 2013

yance1270 said:
how can we the people do anything?? we write letters ?? which get shredded = we take a stand and our families are shot and burned.. ( ID and TX) i was in waco when that went down.. no crime scene investigation, just burn the evildoers and move on. our gvmt is out of control and it will take another revolution to get it back.. i don't consider myself an anarchist - - but that is what i think.. when armored personnel carriers start rollin in the streets of America - the movie red dawn will have come true -- except our own gvmt will be hunting us - not russians or viet cong. - so with that all said.. what can we actively do>> march on Washington?? that works for all the gays and lesbians.. or would they shoot us in the street? i have a very bad feeling about how this mess will be resolved. we can pray for peace - - but the devil is at our doorsteps.. or may be soon - those of us who fought for our country may have to again - - against tyranny from within.. these are some of my thoughts on this topic.. yall all have a good weekend.
GOD BLESS AMERICA

It no longer is about upholding the Constitution. Most of those liberal minded folks only care about re-election which means money in their pockets. Since they for the most part no longer work for us, (they feel they know what's best) they all fear the lobbing efforts of the NRA. So what's holding up the 80 some million from joining?

Trick said:
Back to the OP.....I think some paranoia is a good thing up till the point it seriously affects your day to day operations. It is not paranoid to know that what is happening now is a direct attack on our liberties as set under the 2A. That is just common sense.

Something is coming down the government sewer line and I also fear what is going to drop out the opening.

**** politicians like Nancy, Bloomberg, Hilliary, and the rest of the Constitution Smashing, Ignoring, Treasonous, Trash. Did I forget, no longer an American Sovereignty? PS and just take a guess who will enforce the new rules in America, when our own National Guard refuses to kill and enslave their Mothers Fathers Brothers and Sisters. The UN troops, better hope I'm wrong, I certainly do...AJ

GixxerPete · Mar 18, 2013

Jims08Z06 said:
It no longer is about upholding the Constitution. Most of those liberal minded folks only care about re-election which means money in their pockets. Since they for the most part no longer work for us, (they feel they know what's best) they all fear the lobbing efforts of the NRA. So what's holding up the 80 some million from joining?

And what makes you think conservative politicians are any different? They aren't. They may pay lip service to the constitution when it serves them, but they are just as concerned about re-election, and definitely no longer work for us, but instead work for corporate America.

**** politicians like Nancy, Bloomberg, Hilliary, and the rest of the Constitution Smashing, Ignoring, Treasonous, Trash. Did I forget, no longer an American Sovereignty? PS and just take a guess who will enforce the new rules in America, when our own National Guard refuses to kill and enslave their Mothers Fathers Brothers and Sisters. The UN troops, better hope I'm wrong, I certainly do...AJ

How about George Bush and the Patriot Act? A complete thrashing of the 4th and 6th amendments. That makes Nancy, Hillary etc look like dyed in the wool constitutionalists in comparison.

Wake up... 'us vs them' is NOT republican vs democrat, conservative vs liberal, it is we the people vs the utterly corrupt and self serving govt we now have. If you really think one side has all the answers, and if the other would just get out of the way, everything would be peachy keen, you are truly naive and/or brainwashed.

thejrod · Mar 18, 2013

GixxerPete said:
If you really think one side has all the answers, and if the other would just get out of the way, everything would be peachy keen, you are truly naive and/or brainwashed.

:top:

Jims08Z06 · Mar 18, 2013

GixxerPete said:
And what makes you think conservative politicians are any different? They aren't. They may pay lip service to the constitution when it serves them, but they are just as concerned about re-election, and definitely no longer work for us, but instead work for corporate America.
How about George Bush and the Patriot Act? A complete thrashing of the 4th and 6th amendments. That makes Nancy, Hillary etc look like dyed in the wool constitutionalists in comparison.
Wake up... 'us vs them' is NOT republican vs democrat, conservative vs liberal, it is we the people vs the utterly corrupt and self serving govt we now have. If you really think one side has all the answers, and if the other would just get out of the way, everything would be peachy keen, you are truly naive and/or brainwashed.

Tell you something my eyes have been wide open since landing in Vietnam in 1971. I need not be told to "Wake Up" You ever serve, if not might want to tone it down a tad. It's hard to be asleep when everything one has been taught from childhood turns out to be a lie. As one watches year after year, our country sinking into more debt, while "Helping" other nations; All the while crumbling at home. What I should have said, the liberals are worse but by no means the only one's serving themselves and special interests. My post was done in haste during a break, should have known someone would attempt to pick it apart. The point is Very Few are working for America and American Citizens. As far as Bush; The Government has been spying on American's since the 50's. Bush just made it legal. (also got us into Trillions of debt and mired in a no win scenario) One last thing, apparently you haven't read any of my posts on the PNW Hot Topics section. Had you, you would have know how I feel about Dem's and Rep's. More than once before the last election, I stated, I vote NO party. I vote for the person, or at least the "Lesser" of Two Evils...AJ

GixxerPete · Mar 19, 2013

Jims08Z06 said:
Tell you something my eyes have been wide open since landing in Vietnam in 1971. I need not be told to "Wake Up" You ever serve, if not might want to tone it down a tad. It's hard to be asleep when everything one has been taught from childhood turns out to be a lie. As one watches year after year, our country sinking into more debt, while "Helping" other nations; All the while crumbling at home. What I should have said, the liberals are worse but by no means the only one's serving themselves and special interests. My post was done in haste during a break, should have known someone would attempt to pick it apart. The point is Very Few are working for America and American Citizens. As far as Bush; The Government has been spying on American's since the 50's. Bush just made it legal. (also got us into Trillions of debt and mired in a no win scenario) One last thing, apparently you haven't read any of my posts on the PNW Hot Topics section. Had you, you would have know how I feel about Dem's and Rep's. More than once before the last election, I stated, I vote NO party. I vote for the person, or at least the "Lesser" of Two Evils...AJ

Thanks for the clarification. Yes I served, though it was in peace time. I haven't been on PNWRiders in years, too much stupid drove me away.

I agree about lesser of two evils, though I grow sick of that being the only choice, which is really no choice at all, as you said year after year things just get worse, and nobody is trying to do the right thing.

Since everyone on PNW Guns likely thinks similar I have a question...

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