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Old 01-26-2010, 03:32 PM   #41
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THANK you greg for the report.

I'm hoping this bill is yet another that gets squashed, but I'm a little worried.



I mailed as well!



Hi Pam,

I was not in olympia this morning but had friends who were. They were out in the overflow watching the committee meeting on SB 6396. I heard you did a great job despite some ‘rudeness’ on adam klines part. Let us know if there is anything we can do to help out.

Furthermore, you ma’am have my support and my vote! Cheers to you.

Sincerely

JoshBrantley (liberal republican gun owner)
 
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Old 01-26-2010, 04:39 PM   #42
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I can vouch for Pam Roach, i grew up with her sons, she has a solid base, family, and values that reflect how most feel in washington state, remember we are the majority, it is just "networks" that make it seem we are not.
 
Old 01-26-2010, 04:51 PM   #43
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Thanks for the update! It sounds like people are paying alot more attention to the government (and communicating with eachother) more than ever before!

Not even Obama can silence the voice of freedom!
 
Old 01-26-2010, 04:56 PM   #44
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The commie from "Ceasefire" testified and claimed he had 5000 members state wide, which I'm sure is a stretch. They are of course proponents of this bill and this guy's demeanor matched that of Kline.

The State of WA has a population of around 6.5 million
 
Old 01-26-2010, 05:05 PM   #45
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I think we will be able to track it here

SB 6396 - 2009-10
 
Old 01-27-2010, 02:05 AM   #46
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Here's the video link Watch the hearing on assault rifle bans here

I guess I don't have the default email set up. Could anyone tell me her email so that I can thank her as well?

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Old 01-27-2010, 05:31 AM   #47
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^ just copy and paste her link to your own email
 
Old 01-27-2010, 05:48 AM   #48
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Here's the video link Watch the hearing on assault rifle bans here

I guess I don't have the default email set up. Could anyone tell me her email so that I can thank her as well?
Roach.Pam@leg.wa.gov
 
Old 01-27-2010, 07:34 AM   #49
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I'm not sure, but it might help to email each of the 4 sponsors and tell them what you think of this bill. They are....

Kline
Kline

Fairley
Fairley

Kohl-Welles
Kohl-Welles

McDermott
McDermott
 
Old 01-27-2010, 08:52 AM   #50
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While I agree with you in theory about emailing the sponsors Greg, from my experience with people like them (who opperate off knee-jerk fear reactions and emotion over fact and logic) they won't change their minds. It's a lot like people who hate and fear motorcycles because they had a loved one die on one. You can tell them that far more people die every day in cars but that won't stop them from believing based on fear and emotion.

A better bet is come election time tell everyone you can who might be in their voting block not to vote for them because of x,y,z.
 
Old 01-27-2010, 08:53 AM   #51
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Thanks
 
Old 01-27-2010, 10:20 AM   #52
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My email to the 4 bozos.....

While at the committee meeting the morning of Tuesday, Jan 26 2010, I heard the testimonies of 3 persons that were proponents of this bill
Their testimony was full of misrepresentations and based largely on hysteria and the desire to blame inanimate objects for the actions of humans.
Please take a moment to read up on some facts so you can go forward with a more comprehensive understanding.

In 1994 then president Bill Clinton signed into law the assault rifle ban that SB 6396 copies.
Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yet "The Columbine Massacre" occurred 5 years later in 1999 while this law was in full effect
Columbine High School massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Obviously the federal law which you are attempting to copy and implement in Washington State, made no difference in this situation


A study has shown....

The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, enacted in 1994, included the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, and was a response to public concern over mass shootings. This provision
prohibited the manufacture and importation of some semiautomatic firearms that exhibited military style features such as a folding stock, pistol grip and flash suppressor, as well as magazines holding more than ten rounds. A grandfather clause was included that allowed firearms manufactured before 1994 to remain legal. A short-term evaluation by University of Pennsylvania criminologists, Christopher S. Koper and Jeffrey A. Roth, did not find any clear impact of this legislation on gun violence. Given the short study time period of the evaluation, the National Academy of Sciences also advised caution in drawing any conclusions. In September 2004, the assault weapon ban expired, with its sunset clause.

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


You might read through the following pages to get a few accurate statistics and facts concerning "Assault Rifles" and how little they are actually used and how little bills like the one you are sponsoring affect violence in our society.

Assault Weapons
Assault Weapons

Gun Control
Gun Control
 
Old 01-27-2010, 12:47 PM   #53
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I would be interested to hear their response... though I can guess how it will go.
 
Old 01-27-2010, 01:37 PM   #54
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I doubt I will get a response and if I do it will be some generic boiler plate crap.
Just like when I wrote to our US Sentor-ets concerning Obamacare
 
Old 01-28-2010, 09:01 AM   #55
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Got a mail back from pam roach:


Dear Josh,

Thank you for your encouraging words! I will continue to oppose SB 6396 in any way I can.

Thank you for your support of the Second Amendment.

Sincerely,

Pam Roach

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Brantley [mailto:Josh.Brantley@ascentium.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:32 PM
To: Roach, Sen. Pam
Subject: THANK YOU! ->SB 6396

Hi Pam,

I was not in olympia this morning but had friends who were. They were out in the overflow watching the committee meeting on SB 6396. I heard you did a great job despite some 'rudeness' on adam klines part. Let us know if there is anything we can do to help out.

Furthermore, you ma'am have my support and my vote! Cheers to you.

Sincerely

JoshBrantley (liberal republican gun owner)
 
Old 01-28-2010, 09:34 AM   #56
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so not to be all political here, but it's funny that democrats all vote for this crap and what not.. I thought that the Dems were supposed to be for the greater good of people and providing more freedom, not take it away. Guessing I didn't pay attention is government class in H.S. LOL
 
Old 01-28-2010, 09:51 AM   #57
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A response from Pam

I said.....

Thank you so much for being there and speaking up to that jerk Adam Kline at the committee meeting on SB 6396, Tues the 26th
I am on several gun oriented forums and am spreading the word about that meeting and your role
If there is anything I can do to help please tell me
I'm so glad you are there
Thanks

She responded....

Dear Greg,
Thank you for your encouraging words and for your support of the Second Amendment. I will continue to oppose SB 6396 in any way I can.
I greatly appreciate your email.

Sincerely,
Pam Roach
 
Old 01-28-2010, 10:25 AM   #58
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said the same thing to me almost

Dear Miguel,

Thank you for your encouraging words! I will continue to oppose SB 6396 in any way I can. Thank you for your support of the Second Amendment.

Sincerely,

Pam Roach

I said:

Pam-

I wanted to thank you for being our voice at todays SB 6396 thing in Olympia!


Miguel
 
Old 01-29-2010, 01:57 PM   #59
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Exclamation “Assault Weapon” Ban Keep the pressure on!

“Assault Weapon” Ban Being Considered in Olympia!
Stand-Up and Make Your Voices Heard Now!
You DO NOT have to be an NRA member to make a call, but it would be great if you become a member!


As you will recall, NRA-ILA has informed you about Senate Bill 6396, legislation that would bring California-style gun-control to the Northwest and ultimately ban many semi-automatic firearms commonly owned by Washingtonians. SB6396 was heard in the Senate Judiciary Committee but no action was taken.

YOUR CALLS AND EMAILS ARE WORKING! It is important that NRA members keep the pressure on their legislators by respectfully urging them to oppose SB6396.

SB 6396 is more far-reaching than it appears on the surface and will absolutely impact a gigantic swath of Washington firearm owners, including concealed pistol license holders, hunters and competitive pistol shooters. As examples, consider the following restrictions that flow from the provisions of this horrendous piece of gun control legislation:

Every semiautomatic AND PUMP-ACTION rifle or shotgun that has a detachable magazine and has a pistol grip located rear of the trigger (yes, that is just about all of them) is defined as an “assault weapon” and is banned under SB 6396!


If you and your child/children are out in the woods plinking with his or her Ruger 10-22 and there are more than 10 rounds in the magazine, you are a FELON!


If you are a Concealed Pistol License holder and your semi-auto self-defense pistol contains more than 10 rounds, you are a FELON!
The use of firearms defined as “assault weapons” (see first bullet point) are banned for use in hunting!


Competitive shooters will be impacted as any semi-auto pistol that has a detachable magazine and is equipped with a muzzle brake or compensator is defined as an “assault weapon!”


If you own a firearm(s) defined as an “assault weapon” on the date this bill becomes law, you can keep it if you are willing to allow your Sheriff to come into your home once every year to ensure you store your firearm(s) appropriately!

Senate Bill 6396 is proof that the gun-ban groups and politicians are not interested in only banning semi-automatic firearms that happen to look like military firearms. This bill shows where they really want to go with their agenda! This gun ban scheme will only punish law-abiding citizens and will do nothing to curb crime or keep criminals from obtaining firearms illegally. This is not only another attack on our Second Amendment rights in Washington State, but an attack on your Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable searches of your home!

Please contact your legislators TODAY and continue to urge them to oppose SB 6396! Brief messages can be left for your legislators by calling the toll-free legislative hotline at 800-562-6000.
 
Old 01-29-2010, 06:14 PM   #60
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Awb

I was talking with the owner of Bear Arms today and he told me the Wa. AWB Has died any truth to this? I wasn't able to make it to the gathering. He told me about 300 pro-gun people showed up and only 3 anti-gun people were there, one of which didn't have a clue as to which side he was on.
 
Old 01-29-2010, 06:21 PM   #61
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either way, do we need another thread on this?
 
Old 01-29-2010, 07:11 PM   #62
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SB 6396 looks to be dead/not going anywhere this year.
 
Old 01-29-2010, 07:16 PM   #63
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It's not over till it's over

I just wrote to Pam Roach to try to find out what the next step is since they had the committee meeting.
 
Old 01-30-2010, 12:08 AM   #64
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Pam Roach on news tonight

Interesting that Pam Roach is on the news tonight

Seems she has been banned from meetings with her peers. Saying she is combative and aggressive. She was recorded in the senate throwing a fit about somebody moving her flowers off her desk. That didn't help the situation on her behalf.

But for this to happen the day after the hearing ? And she is the one who stood up for us. Nah.. Coincidence ? Nah..

Our hard earned tax dollars paying these bozo's in office is what's killing this great state. Damn.. And I really like it here.
 
Old 01-30-2010, 03:42 AM   #65
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Sounds like a frame job to me

Local News | Senate leaders send reprimand to defiant Roach | Seattle Times Newspaper
 
Old 01-30-2010, 11:01 AM   #66
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It sounded pretty straight foreword to me. The woman just seems to be a grouch. I still like that she is on our side but if she is being nasty then she should be reprimanded. The committee was bipartisan. Not a biggy.
 
Old 01-30-2010, 12:53 PM   #67
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It sounded pretty straight foreword to me. The woman just seems to be a grouch. I still like that she is on our side but if she is being nasty then she should be reprimanded. The committee was bipartisan. Not a biggy.
The part about her "pulling a gun" on somebody kind of sucks.
 
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That does stink if it turns out to be true. If it is true, then she needs to be removed from office. Since this is not happening, I will for now assume that she did not pull a gun. I really hope she did not do it.
 
Old 01-31-2010, 08:36 AM   #69
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That's why I'm thinking it was some kind of conspiracy/frame job.

Knowing all that she does about 2A rights and responsibilities, it seems highly unlikely (to me) she would make that big of a mistake. Plus I'm pretty sure cops would have been involved and there would be some damning evidence against her.
 
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Exactly, now I am not sure that she still didn't do something needing a reprimand but being reprimanded is not the end of the world. She just needs to admit where she might have been wrong and move on.
 
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She just needs to admit where she might have been wrong and move on.
If, in fact, she did do anything wrong
 
Old 01-31-2010, 10:50 PM   #72
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I don't care to speculate but in most confrontations, nobody is totally without any fault.
 
Old 02-01-2010, 07:03 AM   #73
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And in these United States you are assumed innocent until proven guilty
 
Old 02-01-2010, 09:21 AM   #74
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just got a mail back from Mary Helen Roberts, who was the recipient of my call to the 1 800 number send out by the NRA:


Dear Josh,

Thank you for calling in regards to SB 6396.

We've received a lot of correspondence on this issue and most share your sentiment. Since this bill is currently sitting in the Senate Judiciary Committee and is unlikely to move from there, I haven't taken the time to look at the specifics. I typically like to hear from both sides of an issue before I make a decision on how to vote, and I give a lot of deference to the law enforcement community when the bill relates to public safety.

I appreciate that you took the time to share your perspective with me and bring this to my attention. If this legislation starts to move I'll take a closer look at it and discuss it with groups in favor and against. You can track the progress of this legislation at SB 6396 - 2009-10.

Sincerely,

Mary Helen Roberts
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And in these United States you are assumed innocent until proven guilty

I know, but this is not yet a legal matter as much as a professional one. It does not take much to just say "I did not handle the situation with as much delicacy as deeded" or something along those lines. The point of this is to get out of the dog house quickly without a big stink. I'm not trying to make a big deal here, but I think if she is humble and nice about the whole thing, then she will have it behind her a bit quicker.
 
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I know, but this is not yet a legal matter as much as a professional one. It does not take much to just say "I did not handle the situation with as much delicacy as deeded" or something along those lines. The point of this is to get out of the dog house quickly without a big stink. I'm not trying to make a big deal here, but I think if she is humble and nice about the whole thing, then she will have it behind her a bit quicker.

I guess I'm a little tired of trying to be nice and PC and just getting pushed further and further towards the edge of the cliff. I feel that all this gets me and this cause is ground lost. In fact I feel some people actually take advantage of this "willingness to back away" when they come up with their nasty little schemes. Specially liberals and democrats.
I think it's time to not just tweak but punch a few noses. Basically I guess I'm tired of the limp wristed liberal PC morons shoving around my side of the argument.

I mean really.... The day after a committee meeting on gun control a worker decides to quit and then claims their boss pulled a gun on them? Doesn't that sound just a little suspicious? I guess I'm actually offended that anyone even gives this credence.

Listen, I've been an employer for several years and know from experience that most of the time when an employee quits they always figure things around so that the boss is an asshole and it's all their fault. Then they wander around telling anyone that will listen (or better yet) stupid enough to listen a big sob story about how bad their boss was.
Never had anyone claim I pulled a gun on them yet though.
If Pam is feisty and steps on a few toes now and then she sounds like my kinda gal.

Kick ass Pam!
 
Old 04-04-2011, 10:25 PM   #77
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Thatz a lotta text for a something that will not matter in the end. So you e-mailed and send spit stuck stamps to a representative, and or congress person that doesn't give a damn about your rights. I don't want a new yacht, or free time in a some paradise...(well maybe the last one is false :) ) But C'mon guys, legislation for gun rights is crap. We already have the right to bear arms. Stop being weak. The strength of one arm is only equal to the next, until proven otherwise.
 
Old 04-05-2011, 11:14 PM   #78
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Oh by the way Adam Kline is up for re-election!!

Senator Adam Kline |

Pam Roach is also up for re-election!

http://www.electpamroach.com/
 
Old 04-06-2011, 01:12 AM   #79
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Pam needs some help with that website. Spelling and coding errors abound!
 
Old 07-29-2011, 11:57 PM   #80
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Arrow What can we do next?

I got here late. What can I do to stop this idiot? SDS? The guy's a joke.
 
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