BigStick

Saw this in another forum, thought I would share it here since it is a local compary. I don't usually drink coffee, but I might have to stop by and get some hot chocolate and let the manager know why I'm there.

Brady Campaign declares war on Starbucks; time for a cup of coffee

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The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence has declared war on a Northwest institution, and in the process perhaps the public will discover the extremes gun prohibitionists will go in an effort to push their radical agenda.
The Brady Bunch has Starbucks squarely in its crosshairs, hoping to browbeat the coffee giant into refusing service to an evidently growing clientele of law-abiding firearms owners. In an e-mail message sent out this week, Brady Campaign President Paul Helmke laments that, “Starbucks is refusing to prohibit open carrying in its stores, despite protests from loyal customers."
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James

After the Tragity near Tacoma, I'd think twice about supporting anything against open carry.
1st cup is on me!

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koorbloh

I see your point. and I agree, whole heartedly.

but you must also see their point: a guy carrying a gun is who did this.

carryabigstick

I totally dig this. I may get Starbucks more often. Their coffee is burnt, so I don't go often.

James

I see their point. However, if patrons open carry, perhaps that alone would be enough deterrent for some not to attempt anything as terrible as killing people.

Or, perhaps carrying concealed will ease the patrons minds.

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koorbloh

in my experience, the people nervous about guns are the people proposing this type of shit and the ones who are ok with it are on forums like this...


maybe over time, with more publicity on vigilante stories...but not in the short term...

James

Agreed

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GregM

So does this group get all shaky and sweaty when they see a cop OC ?

BigStick

Of course not. They have all had years of proper training and could never have an accident with their guns.

I have a lot of respect for LEOs, but I know a lot of civilians who are better at handling their sidearms.

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koorbloh

no, because cops are "supposed" to carry guns. again, I agree with you...but see it their way...

agreed.

Mrwyld

normally I disagree with you, but I agree with you dead on. The public that doesn't know about guns are normally the ones that create all the hype and stuff and think anyone with a weapon exposed (besides LEO types) are there to possibly hurt them. We live in a state that doesn't really pay attention to things and lives in the past in fear of things imo.

hubers454

do you see any of this shooting crap happening where they have open carry laws, as far as I know if they dont have a sign posted or serve alcohol you can carry a conceled weapon in Washington. in Spokane the bumbs and scumbags are jumping(robbing) people comming out of bars/restaurants,,, because they know you can't carry in the bar. most people I know are ignoring the law safety comes first

koorbloh

yup, right here in WA.

GregM

I sent this note to Starbucks

I would like to encourage you to maintain observance of our country's 2nd amendment rights as defined by the US Constitution and the laws of The State of Washington. I do not Open Carry firearms but I do carry a concealed weapon in a legal manner. I think that if you ignore these nuts who would take away our constitutional rights, they will soon stop their ridiculous paranoia and noise making.
Thank you

hubers454

I don't think so, you have to have a permit and there are laws preventing you from walking down the street with your firearm in plain sight, when you are ready to walk around Olympia with your AR-15 and your 45 on your side I will be there hehehehe
my brother sent me a picture of an old dude walking around downtown Phoenix with two colts on his hips, I would double take he said its pretty normal, thier crime rate is a lot lower than ours

ecotechjosh

I don't see any RCW's prohibiting "open" carry of loaded firearms in washington state.

Chapter 9.41 RCW: Firearms and dangerous weapons

ecotechjosh

Found it lol.

RCW 9.41.270
Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm — Unlawful carrying or handling — Penalty — Exceptions.

(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.

carryabigstick

I asked my local sheriffs department and they said it was not against the law but they would still not recommend it. Brandishing a weapon is illegal but it is legal to carry it.

hubers454

carry conceled, Dam thats one smart kid of mine

Guff

I've also asked and been told that it is legal to open carry in WA. I believe what the RCW is stating is that it is illegal to open carry in places that would cause for alarm... such as a bank, court room, etc where it is illegal to carry anyways.

RCW 9.41.270
Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm — Unlawful carrying or handling — Penalty — Exceptions.

(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.

Without looking at case studies I would imagine that walking down the street while open carrying wouldn't be seen as intent to intimidate another or warrant alarm for safety... unless you were making threatening gestures.

Subsection C I think stated to the effect that it's ok to carry when it is protecting self or another from a third party. I don't know how you could be open carrying at the time of defense without having been doing so prior.

GregM

I saw several people OCing in the building at Olympia during the committee meeting on the banning of assault rifles a couple weeks ago.
Now I'm just guessing here but with all the State Patrol officers walking around, I'm thinking if there was something illegal about OCing in this state they would have said something

Ya think?

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ecotechjosh

read the RCW you copied that I posted previously. The RCW is vague. If the people at the "Starbucks" are libral as fuck and "intimidated" they can call the police and file charges.....so yes you can get away with it places however it is not 100% legal.

GregM

On May 31, 2009, Washington OpenCarry members held an open carry protest picnic at Silverdale's Waterfront Park, a county park. Attendees openly carried handguns, in violation of posted regulations prohibiting firearms at the park. Kitsap County Sheriff's deputies were on hand, in part to explain to the public why they weren't enforcing the park's posted gun ban. State law allows the open carrying of firearms, and specifically preempts local ordinances more restrictive than the state's. Kitsap County not only has left its parks gun ban on the books, but continues to publicly post it with other park regulations. Because the law is not practically enforceable, county deputies appear to be showing disregard for the county's law, making it unclear to many gun owners what is tolerated.

Open carry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Washington is an open carry state. However, the practice is not common due to serial misinformation about the legality of it among law enforcement. There are significant efforts by OpenCarry.org members to educate the law enforcement agencies, you may see the progress on the state forum. You are also not allowed to carry a loaded handgun in your car unless you possess a concealed pistol license.

OpenCarry.org - State Information For Washington

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ecotechjosh

opencarry nor wikipedia are not a reliable sources of reference. They are based on opinion and not fact. Sometimes they are helpful because they will link their actual valid of source (IE government website) but not usually.

Again, read the law for youself and try to look at it from the libral's point of view (cringe). Think about any excuse they can use to take YOUR right to carry/own/posess any firearms away.

Unfortunately the right wing is just as bad as the left one when it comes to misinformation. This does nothing but hurt our cause.

Also, I don't know about you but I can't afford the thousand of dollars in lawyer fees just because some libral fuck feels "intimidated". Furthermore I don't want to ever lose my rights because they are able to convince a jury of their "peers" (other libral fucks) that they were intimidated.

I believe in open carry just as much as the next gun hence why when I'm out of school, I plan on moving as far away from the people's republic of washington as I plan.

GregM

So care to explain why the Washington State Patrol officers did nothing to stop those who were Open Carrying during the committee meeting on the campus at the state capital in Hearing Room #1 and the overflow rooms in the Cherberg Building?

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ecotechjosh

again, choose your audience. My guess would be to avoid a huge riot which obviously would go violent or to avoid mega media exposure.

Typically police officers are conservative and agree with our views. Again, choose your time and place for OC.

That doesn't stop libral fucks from filing charges on you though. And if a warrant is issued for your arrest, it doesn't matter how conservative the officers are, they'll still come arrest your ass.

GregM

So the WSP chose not to enforce laws because they were afraid and didn't want to?

I guess I'll stay with my previous sources

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hubers454

you can chose whatever sidearm you would like, not only that, go without your concelled pistol permit. so what I am hearing is that there were private citizens in the courthouse with weapons,,, I have to call bullshit they wouldnt make it past the metal detectors without an armed response. I havn't found the newspaper article but a guy was arrested in walmart because a employee saw a pistol hanging out under his jacket, he was going hunting



for Greg off of your post??????? Because the law is not practically enforceable, county deputies appear to be showing disregard for the county's law, making it unclear to many gun owners what is tolerated.

DUH it says there is a law

ecotechjosh

actually that is true, a state patrol officer in Ritzville told me face to face that if you are doing more than 120 on I90 MPH they won't even radio it in because if they chase you and you die, they get suspended fired etc.

Svytlanna texted me to look at State VS Casad. Google it. When making an arguement in discussing, reference real sources.

The ruling in this case was that Open Carry is not considered "intimidating" although it is shocking. So technically it is not illegal. The state could not produce any material witnesses to show that the guy was threatening people with the weapon.

BUT;

The point I'm trying to make is, how much does it take for 5 librals at starbucks to say you were threatening people with it? You know as well as I do that libral fucks will do whatever it takes to make their point, including lie, cheat or steal. Look at Obama...LOL

Do you have the hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees?

ecotechjosh

further more, if you are just going to believe everything you read on the internet without backing it up with legal proof, you are just as bad as the fucking obama zombies.

research facts, then discuss opinions. Tin hatter websites like open carry are not "facts"

KillermondoDude

Its not liberals your fearing
blaming the Brady group on liberals is like blaming the Westboro Baptist Church on conservatives

they are 2 extreme organizations that have more in common with each other than with the people they say they're representing

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ecotechjosh

are you less offended if i blame those dam progressive people? hehe

KillermondoDude

Dude what does Tool, Rush, and Pink Floyd have to do with this?
Dammit cant forget about King Crimson Progressive aint progressive without the King




oh and i wasnt offended but you did huwt my feewins and made me ya big meanybutt

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ecotechjosh

hehehe

Guff

If you have the case law, like the one you just referenced to back your position, you don't need $$$ for the lawyers. All you would need to do in such a situation is reference the case law that pertains to your specific situation, one such case you mentioned, as well as a few others and bang, charges dropped. (I actually know a person first hand who defended himself for much more severe charges and had them dropped just by being able to point to the case law and convince the jury on his position) It doesn't matter that 5 people in starbucks felt threatened that a person open carries if the firearm remains holstered and the person is just ordering coffee. Their feelings aren't legally backed where as a persons ability to open carry, as you showed above, is.

Would you possibly have to deal with a headache and time off work to go to court, yes. But is it legal to do? Yes, you just showed us all that it is.

damion

just thought i would add this please type open carry in the search block on this PDF file

http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/open_...washington.pdf

ecotechjosh

I'm not sure as to the authenticity of that document however it also states on that document,

"the officer must be able to articulate
(describe in a convincing manner) malicious intent by the
suspect or circumstances that reasonably cause alarm to the
public."

In other words, all I (Joe Public) have to say is that you threatened me and off to jail you go.

Remember, the opposition just wants any excuse to send you to jail. Why give them ammunition?

GregM

There are no metal detectors at the Cherberg Building. Go there sometime

Try reading the post again

Kitsap County Sheriff's deputies were on hand, in part to explain to the public why they weren't enforcing the park's posted gun ban. State law allows the open carrying of firearms, and specifically preempts local ordinances more restrictive than the state's.

You kids should quit school and become lawyers

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damion

i think you are reading a little to fdar into this as you maybe right but joe pubilc can complain about your CC weapon as well and with your way of looking at it you would be off to jail, i lived in AZ for most my life and there laws are just as vag but it is widely know and practiced so its the norm as i support both types of carry i think there are to many people scared to fallow it out if you have that much doubt please present evidence to back up you claim of joe pubilc calling and to jail i or you go i would love to hear the latter as i feel knowlage is power

http://www.washingtonceasefire.net/d...ing_county.pdf

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ecotechjosh

State vs Casad was initiated by a joe public complaint...eventually justice was found but at what cost?

I've actually been thinking about law school once I complete my BS in Mechanical Engineering. Right now I find engineering more interesting though.