Starbucks Allows Open Carry, Brady Campaign Whines

BigStick · Feb 5, 2010

Saw this in another forum, thought I would share it here since it is a local compary. I don't usually drink coffee, but I might have to stop by and get some hot chocolate and let the manager know why I'm there.

Brady Campaign declares war on Starbucks; time for a cup of coffee

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The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence has declared war on a Northwest institution, and in the process perhaps the public will discover the extremes gun prohibitionists will go in an effort to push their radical agenda.
The Brady Bunch has Starbucks squarely in its crosshairs, hoping to browbeat the coffee giant into refusing service to an evidently growing clientele of law-abiding firearms owners. In an e-mail message sent out this week, Brady Campaign President Paul Helmke laments that, “Starbucks is refusing to prohibit open carrying in its stores, despite protests from loyal customers."
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James · Feb 5, 2010

After the Tragity near Tacoma, I'd think twice about supporting anything against open carry.
1st cup is on me!

koorbloh · Feb 5, 2010

James said:
After the Tragity near Tacoma, I'd think twice about supporting anything against open carry.
1st cup is on me!

I see your point. and I agree, whole heartedly.

but you must also see their point: a guy carrying a gun is who did this.

carryabigstick · Feb 5, 2010

I totally dig this. I may get Starbucks more often. Their coffee is burnt, so I don't go often.

James · Feb 5, 2010

koorbloh said:
I see your point. and I agree, whole heartedly.

but you must also see their point: a guy carrying a gun is who did this.

I see their point. However, if patrons open carry, perhaps that alone would be enough deterrent for some not to attempt anything as terrible as killing people.

Or, perhaps carrying concealed will ease the patrons minds.

koorbloh · Feb 5, 2010

James said:
I see their point. However, if patrons open carry, perhaps that alone would be enough deterrent for some not to attempt anything as terrible as killing people.

Or, perhaps carrying concealed will ease the patrons minds.

in my experience, the people nervous about guns are the people proposing this type of **** and the ones who are ok with it are on forums like this... :lol:

maybe over time, with more publicity on vigilante stories...but not in the short term...

James · Feb 5, 2010

Agreed :grin:

GregM · Feb 5, 2010

So does this group get all shaky and sweaty when they see a cop OC ?

BigStick · Feb 5, 2010

GregM said:
So does this group get all shaky and sweaty when they see a cop OC ?

Of course not. They have all had years of proper training and could never have an accident with their guns. :lol:

I have a lot of respect for LEOs, but I know a lot of civilians who are better at handling their sidearms.

koorbloh · Feb 5, 2010

GregM said:
So does this group get all shaky and sweaty when they see a cop OC ?

no, because cops are "supposed" to carry guns. again, I agree with you...but see it their way...

BigStick said:
Of course not. They have all had years of proper training and could never have an accident with their guns. :lol:

I have a lot of respect for LEOs, but I know a lot of civilians who are better at handling their sidearms.

agreed.

Mrwyld · Feb 6, 2010

koorbloh said:
in my experience, the people nervous about guns are the people proposing this type of **** and the ones who are ok with it are on forums like this... :lol:

maybe over time, with more publicity on vigilante stories...but not in the short term...

normally I disagree with you, but I agree with you dead on. The public that doesn't know about guns are normally the ones that create all the hype and stuff and think anyone with a weapon exposed (besides LEO types) are there to possibly hurt them. We live in a state that doesn't really pay attention to things and lives in the past in fear of things imo.

hubers454 · Feb 6, 2010

this **** dosnt happen in Arizona

do you see any of this shooting crap happening where they have open carry laws, as far as I know if they dont have a sign posted or serve alcohol you can carry a conceled weapon in Washington. in Spokane the bumbs and scumbags are jumping(robbing) people comming out of bars/restaurants,,, because they know you can't carry in the bar. most people I know are ignoring the law safety comes first

koorbloh · Feb 6, 2010

hubers454 said:
do you see any of this shooting crap happening where they have open carry laws

yup, right here in WA.

GregM · Feb 6, 2010

I sent this note to Starbucks

I would like to encourage you to maintain observance of our country's 2nd amendment rights as defined by the US Constitution and the laws of The State of Washington. I do not Open Carry firearms but I do carry a concealed weapon in a legal manner. I think that if you ignore these nuts who would take away our constitutional rights, they will soon stop their ridiculous paranoia and noise making.
Thank you

hubers454 · Feb 6, 2010

You can open carry in Washington?

I don't think so, you have to have a permit and there are laws preventing you from walking down the street with your firearm in plain sight, when you are ready to walk around Olympia with your AR-15 and your 45 on your side I will be there hehehehe
:rofl: my brother sent me a picture of an old dude walking around downtown Phoenix with two colts on his hips, I would double take he said its pretty normal, thier crime rate is a lot lower than ours

ecotechjosh · Feb 6, 2010

I don't see any RCW's prohibiting "open" carry of loaded firearms in washington state.

Chapter 9.41 RCW: Firearms and dangerous weapons

ecotechjosh · Feb 6, 2010

Found it lol.

RCW 9.41.270
Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm — Unlawful carrying or handling — Penalty — Exceptions.

(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.

carryabigstick · Feb 6, 2010

I asked my local sheriffs department and they said it was not against the law but they would still not recommend it. Brandishing a weapon is illegal but it is legal to carry it.

hubers454 · Feb 6, 2010

thanks Josh

carry conceled, Dam thats one smart kid of mine

Guff · Feb 6, 2010

carryabigstick said:
I asked my local sheriffs department and they said it was not against the law but they would still not recommend it. Brandishing a weapon is illegal but it is legal to carry it.

I've also asked and been told that it is legal to open carry in WA. I believe what the RCW is stating is that it is illegal to open carry in places that would cause for alarm... such as a bank, court room, etc where it is illegal to carry anyways.

RCW 9.41.270
Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm — Unlawful carrying or handling — Penalty — Exceptions.

(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.

Without looking at case studies I would imagine that walking down the street while open carrying wouldn't be seen as intent to intimidate another or warrant alarm for safety... unless you were making threatening gestures.

Subsection C I think stated to the effect that it's ok to carry when it is protecting self or another from a third party. I don't know how you could be open carrying at the time of defense without having been doing so prior.

Starbucks Allows Open Carry, Brady Campaign Whines

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