Wow..

Dec 2009
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Graham, Wa
This is going to get ugly. I also had to do a double take when I saw that J&G Sales was involved in this..

Justice Officials in 'Panic Mode' as Hearing Nears on Failed Anti-Gun Trafficking Program - FoxNews.com

Justice Officials in 'Panic Mode' as Hearing Nears on Failed Anti-Gun Trafficking Program

By William La Jeunesse

Published June 09, 2011

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Officials at the Department of Justice are in "panic mode," according to multiple sources, as word spreads that congressional testimony next week will paint a bleak and humiliating picture of Operation Fast and Furious, the botched undercover operation that left a trail of blood from Mexico to Washington, D.C.

The operation was supposed to stem the flow of weapons from the U.S. to Mexico by allowing so-called straw buyers to purchase guns legally in the U.S. and later sell them in Mexico, usually to drug cartels.

Instead, ATF documents show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms knowingly and deliberately flooded Mexico with assault rifles. Their intent was to expose the entire smuggling organization, from top to bottom, but the operation spun out of control and supervisors refused pleas from field agents to stop it.

Only after Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry died did ATF Agent John Dodson blow the whistle and expose the scandal.

"What people don't understand is how long we will be dealing with this," Dodson told Fox News back in March. "Those guns are gone. You can't just give the order and get them back. There is no telling how many crimes will be committed before we retrieve them."




But now the casualties are coming in.

Mexican officials estimate 150 of their people have been shot by Fast and Furious guns. Police have recovered roughly 700 guns at crime scenes, 250 in the U.S. and the rest in Mexico, including five AK-47s found at a cartel warehouse in Juarez last month.

A high-powered sniper rifle was used to shoot down a Mexican military helicopter. Two other Romanian-made AK-47s were found in a shoot-out that left 11 dead in the state of Jalisco three weeks ago.

The guns were traced to the Lone Wolf Gun Store in Glendale, Ariz., and were sold only after the store employees were told to do so by the ATF.

It is illegal to buy a gun for anyone but yourself. However, ATF's own documents show it allowed just 15 men to buy 1,725 guns, and 1,318 of those were after the purchasers officially became targets of investigation.

Arizona gun store owners say they were explicitly told by the ATF to sell the guns, sometimes 20, 30, even up to 40 in a single day to single person.

And those orders, from at least one ATF case agent, are on audio recording.

"We would say, 'Do you (the ATF) want us to stop selling, is there something we should do here?'" Brad DeSayes, owner of J&G Gun Sales in Prescott, said. "And they would say, 'No, no, no, keep selling - just tell us after the fact.'"

Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, holds a hearing Wednesday into Operation Fast and Furious.

The hearing is billed as "Reckless Decisions, Tragic Outcomes," and the following are among the details expected in testimony:

- The ATF allowed and encouraged five Arizona gun store owners to sell some 1,800 weapons to buyers known to them as gun smugglers.

- It installed cameras inside the gun stores to record purchases made by those smugglers.

- It hid GPS trackers inside gun stocks and watched the weapons go south on computer screens.

- It obtained surveillance video from parking lots and helicopters showing straw buyers transferring their guns from one car to another.

- It learned guns sold in Phoenix were recovered only when Mexico police requested "trace data," which is obtained from their serial number.

The first witness in Wednesday's hearing is Sen. Charles Grassley, who will describe what his investigative team learned from four months of interviews and thousands of documents. He will be followed by three members of Brian Terry's family, three ATF agents and Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich, who only months ago insisted the agency did not let guns go south to Mexico, a claim contradicted by field agents in Group 7, the actual agents who ran the operation in Phoenix.
 
Feb 2011
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Portland, Oregon
What a cluster**ck! I guess ATF should be changed to WTF!
 
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Dec 2010
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Fall City
I guess this goes to show you if you area gun dealer and the ATF says yeah sure go ahead and make that super questionable sale. Just dont do it! i love how the superiors just didnt listen to their men on the ground...
 
May 2011
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NW Quadrant WA State
Glad I am not a gun dealer in Arizona, this is going to end badly.

Sounds like their is a tape of the ATF agent(s) giving the "go ahead". It will end badly, but not necessarily for the Dealer where this conversation was taped.

If I were a Gun Dealer I'd be taping everything I was told by any ATF agent.
 
May 2011
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Woodinville WA
Sounds like their is a tape of the ATF agent(s) giving the "go ahead". It will end badly, but not necessarily for the Dealer where this conversation was taped.

If I were a Gun Dealer I'd be taping everything I was told by any ATF agent.

Yup. The dealers knew it was a bad idea, and apparently were all "Dude, seriously... You want me to sell these dirtbags MORE guns? For reals? And they actually go bang when you pull the trigger?" The dealers are fine. They were ordered by the government agency with licensing, oversight, and enforcement over their industry to do something illegal as part of a sting operation. A sting operation apparently dreamed up by Homer Simpson.

Big Government. I have no doubt they'll do a bang up job with healthcare.
 
May 2011
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Woodinville WA
I was thinking more along the lines of "The Three Stooges" (Obama, Reid, Pelosi)

I likee!

Curly: Hey Moe! I sold the mexicans the guns just like you wanted!

Larry: Wait a minute chums! How are we gonna get the guns back? We're going to look like fools!

Moe: Come'ere you two morons!

followed by the sound of two coconuts being bonked together

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3stooges.jpg
 
Nov 2009
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WA
This is complete horseshit. What did they think would happen when these guns went south?

Best part is all of the BS last year year about more gun control becuase our guns were finding their way to mexico....
 
Jan 2009
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s. greenlake *****
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Best part is all of the BS last year year about more gun control becuase our guns were finding their way to mexico....

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY....

******* Horse ****.. Goddamn people are stupid. And they just assume jackass plans like that would a. work, and b. noone would ever find out about it.

GO obama.
 
Mar 2011
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Renton, WA
You guys must have read a different article than I did where Obama had something to do with this. YEEHAWWW
 
Jan 2009
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s. greenlake *****
Obama is the ******* commander in chief.. if he didn't know about it.. he's doing a bad job.

Oh wait. everyone already knew that.
 
May 2011
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Woodinville WA
Just curious... were you ok with it when the most powerful people in America imposed unchecked ultra-conservative policies on our country? Or is that different somehow? :tard:

Patriot act didn't scare me under Bush. Doesn't scare me under Obama.

Edited to add: I think both sides are clowns.
 
Jan 2009
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Renton, WA
Patriot act didn't scare me under Bush. Doesn't scare me under Obama.

Edited to add: I think both sides are clowns.

Funny, it terrified me under Bush, and continues to terrify me under Obama (who said he'd dismantle it but didn't... surprise, surprise).

I am far, FAR more afraid of my own government than I am the big bad boogeyman "terrorists".

Good on you for seeing both sides as clowns, which they are. Well really more like corrupt, self-serving, morally bankrupt, hypocritical sacks of ****, but I digress. Very few people can see that, as most naively (or just outright stupidly) believe that <insert party here> has all the answers, and <insert party here> is ruining this country, and if only <insert party here> could call all the shots, everything would be just honky dory.
 
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