Weapons Sale

Why does it matter to you if someone has a CPL?

& why would you want to scan his license?

It's your choice if you want to take information and do a back ground... your gun... if it's in your name take his info and his money....if he creeps you out walk away... sell it to the next one with the cash...

It's your gun and totally your descretion. But if he doesn't carry his weapon he wouldn't have one.

I would get his other info though lic# that type of thing.

But as always just use your best judgement.

My bro had a glock many years ago that ended up in a school locker in Yakima. Police went to my brothers house and asked the obvious. How did your gun end up there type deal. My brother showed them a written up contract he had with the person he sold the gun too and on they went.

You can never be 100% positive your gun won't go an ill route. Not even shops can know, but using common sense is the first step.

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If you are really worried though, I know marksman here in puyallup offer name transfers for 10 bucks. Maybe some local shops by you offer the same thing. Just make the buyer pay the fee.

That's my 2 pennies worth.

Requiring that a person have a CPL is one way to make sure that the person is not a "prohibited party". At least it will show that you had no intent to provide a firearm illegally.

Here is a form that you can use that will direct the authorities to the correct party if the firearm is recovered as part of a criminal investigation:

Private Disposition/Transfer Form

Fill it out and send it to the State. Works the same as a "Report of Sale" for a motor vehicle. Tends to keep the innocent seller from getting the "stink-eye" from the authorities when it's used illegally.

Of course it may "queer" a sale if the purchaser refuses to sign the form or provide ID/CPL. Might raise the question then of "Why"? He'd have to fill out both a 4473 and State forms to purchase a handgun from a Dealer. Why not in a private sale? Yeah, I know, some don't want the State to know about what they own. My personal opinion is that they can buy it from someone else then. I don't ever want a firearm I've sold coming back to me in any way shape or form. Let someone else take the risk.

I have my cpl and my offer still stands on the ruger.

DerBarbarian said:

It's wise to get as much info on the buyer as possible just incase.. So I've been told by dealers and sellers in general.

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I don't mind showing someone that I have a CPL to provide peace of ind in the transaction, but I won't do a FTF deal wherein the person copies down all my information. They have no need for it and I won't do a deal where that's one of their stipulations.

Do you also give them your information so they can trace the firearm back to you in case it was previously stolen or something? Of course you trust yourself, but walk in their shoes for a moment.

Are you ok with them having all your personal info?

Metonymy said:

I don't mind showing someone that I have a CPL to provide peace of ind in the transaction, but I won't do a FTF deal wherein the person copies down all my information. They have no need for it and I won't do a deal where that's one of their stipulations.

Do you also give them your information so they can trace the firearm back to you in case it was previously stolen or something? Of course you trust yourself, but walk in their shoes for a moment.

Are you ok with them having all your personal info?

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With all the stolen firearms in circulation today I either know the seller personally or buy from a Dealer. Sure beats finding out that the firearm you are carrying is listed as Stolen and you end up in "cuffs" on the way to the local jail.

Just out of curiosity, how many of those firearms purchased from private parties on gun auction sites have been checked as to whether or not they were ever stolen? Does the FFL you receive it from check it? Did the FFL who sent it check? Just curious.

If you are really worried about the sale, run it through an FFL dealer. If you were local I would do it for you 15.00. Otherwise just cover your basis and do a bill of sale.

Bill of sale should be fine. I don't know that I would provide someone with a scanned shot of my license to buy anything. You can have my name and license number, maybe address for a bill of sale, but there is no need to have a CPL.

Teacher Todd said:

If you are really worried about the sale, run it through an FFL dealer. If you were local I would do it for you 15.00. Otherwise just cover your basis and do a bill of sale.

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How many Dealers actually check the legal status of the Firearm??

Merely "running the sale through an FFL" doesn't always guarantee that it wasn't stolen. It does, however, insure that the purchase will cost from $25-$50 more.

It's too bad that there isn't a National Database of Stolen Firearms that one could check online before buying from a private party. Even if it was operated separately from Government and a nominal fee of say $5 was charged with every inquiry it would sure go a long way in making sure the legit buyer wasn't about to get stuck.

It appears that Law Enforcement is keeping all this information close to their vest as "Job Security".

deadshot2 said:

How many Dealers actually check the legal status of the Firearm??

Merely "running the sale through an FFL" doesn't always guarantee that it wasn't stolen. It does, however, insure that the purchase will cost from $25-$50 more.

It's too bad that there isn't a National Database of Stolen Firearms that one could check online before buying from a private party. Even if it was operated separately from Government and a nominal fee of say $5 was charged with every inquiry it would sure go a long way in making sure the legit buyer wasn't about to get stuck.

It appears that Law Enforcement is keeping all this information close to their vest as "Job Security".

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As an ffl dealer I call in the serial number as well as check the validity of the person buying. If its stolen the state police/NICS will let me know, so it does protect you. As an ffl if you are transferring the firearm you have to run it by law. Not sure where you came up with 25 - 50.00 as I stated I do them for 15.00 and I am sure there are local dealers close to the OP that do the same.

To the OP: Look around I am sure you can find a dealer to run it for not to much if that will make you feel better.

For Oregon residents you can call the serial number in yourself when buying the gun. You have to have it in your possession for them to run it and there is no cost to you. Just an FYI.

Teacher Todd said:

Not sure where you came up with 25 - 50.00 as I stated I do them for 15.00 and I am sure there are local dealers close to the OP that do the same.

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Here in Washington, near my home, FFL's charge far more than you. The closest FFL charges $40 for a simple transfer and another $10 if it's a handgun due to the State Form required in addition to the 4473.

Yes, I suppose one could look around. Just don't forget to add the price of gasoline. For me to take advantage of your $15 fee, even if I could as a WA Resident, it would cost me at least 3 tanks of gas ($180 for my truck).

Way down there in "Les Schwab Country" (for those in Rio Linda reading this, Prineville is the Home Office of Les Schwab Tires:hello I'm sure the operating overhead is a lot lower than up here in "Microsoft/Boeing Country". Even the Pawn Shops are charging $25 for a simple transfer but some won't do it unless you bought from them.

Correct, there are many that charge way to much for the service. Even in my little town of 10,000 there are 6 ffl dealers, I had no idea they were there until I started searching. Of those 6 the prices range from 10-40. Look for home based dealers like myself, we have no store front to pay for so prices will typically be lower.

Teacher Todd said:

Correct, there are many that charge way to much for the service. Even in my little town of 10,000 there are 6 ffl dealers, I had no idea they were there until I started searching. Of those 6 the prices range from 10-40. Look for home based dealers like myself, we have no store front to pay for so prices will typically be lower.

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Due to the licensing requirements here in WA in all the Cities and Towns, most of the "Kitchen Table FFL's" here are located in the "boonies". Again, the argument that the added gas cost to get to them still holds.

Not belittling your fee at all, or refusing to acknowledge that some charge way too much, but it's important to look at the TOTAL cost. It may be better to just pay the "outrageous fee" rather than drive the 40 miles to the FFL that charges only $25.

In defense of those FFL's that are "storefront", they get bent over the barrel by the State of WA and the local City if they are in it for Licensing and taxes.

A Gun Dealer is stuck with a State Business License that is based on the type of business. Then he has to pay another license fee to the local jurisdiction. On top of those, WA State also collects a B&O tax that is based on total revenue, not profit. Put it all together and a Dealer her in my City has to pay $250 before he has collected a single dollar. And because we have a State Sales Tax, the Dealer gets to do the collecting, remitting, and bookeeping for the State, all for Free. Might explain why the fees are higher here.