GregM

How hard is it to get an FFL?
Anyone here done it?

Soon as the economy thaws I'm moving way out in the mountains of New Mexico and it would be real handy to be able to ship instead of drive.

KillermondoDude

taken From NRA-ILA :: Federal Firearms Licenses

To be eligible to obtain an FFL, a person must meet the following requirements:

1. At least 21 years of age;

2. Has not been convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year; is not a fugitive, an unlawful user of or addicted to a "controlled substance," an illegal alien, a person adjudicated mentally defective or who has been committed to a mental institution, a person who has renounced U.S. citizenship or who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions, is not subject to a court order restraining him or her from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such partner;

3. Has not willfully violated federal firearms law or regulation;

4. Has not willfully withheld or failed to disclose any information required, or has not made any false statement in the application;

5. Has in a State premises from which he conducts or intends to conduct business (a business or home as long as it is a permanent structure.) The business must be open to the clientele designated by the licensee to be served;

6. Certifies that (a) "the business to be conducted under the license is not prohibited by State or local law in the place where the licensed premise is located;" (b) "within 30 days after the application is approved the business will comply with the requirements of State and local law applicable to the conduct of the business;" (c) "the business will not be conducted under the license until the requirements of State and local law applicable to the business have been met;" (d) "the applicant has sent or delivered a form to be prescribed by the Secretary, to the chief law enforcement officer of the locality in which the premises are located, which indicates that the applicant intends to apply for a Federal firearms license;" and (e) "the business will not be conducted under the license until the requirements of State and local laws are met," including local zoning ordinances.

A person who wishes to obtain an FFL must submit to the BATFE regional office the appropriate form (ATF form 7), fee, photograph, and fingerprints obtained from a law enforcement agency. (Write BATFE at P.O. Box 2994, Atlanta, GA 30301 or call 404-417-2750.) The BATFE has 60 days to approve or reject the application. Licenses and fees are:

For Other than Destructive Devices


Initial Application Fee


Renewal Fee

Manufacturer


$150


$150

Importer


$150


$150

Pawnbroker


$200


$90

Dealer


$200


$90

Collector of Curios & Relics


$30


$30

For Destructive Devices




Manufacturer


$3000


$3000

Importer


$3000


$3000

Dealer


$3000


$3000

For Ammunition




Manufacturer


$30


$30





Importers and manufacturers of machine guns, short-barreled rifles and shotguns, and destructive devices must also pay a special occupational tax of $500 per year if gross revenues do not exceed $500,000, and $1,000 if revenues exceed $500,000.

FFLs are valid for three years at the location listed on the license and, for dealers, at certain gun shows. A separate license must be obtained for each additional business location. FFLs are not transferable. Licensees must comply with federal record-keeping requirements. Licensees` records and inventory are subject to annual compliance inspections by the BATFE and to inspection at any time during a criminal investigation other than of the licensee. Licensees are required to "respond immediately to, and in no event later than 24 hours after the receipt of, a request by the Secretary for information contained in the records" kept by the licensee, in the "course of a bona fide criminal investigation." Licensees must report firearms thefts or losses to the BATFE and local law enforcement officials within 48 hours.

A licensee`s business inventory should be kept separate from personal collection firearms. Licensees who transfer, from a personal collection, firearms acquired as business inventory must, if the firearms were in the collection for less than one year, first transfer them back to business inventory. If the firearms were held more than one year, a separate "personal logbook" must be maintained.

A licensed collector may acquire, hold, or dispose of firearms defined as "curios and relics" by the BATFE, but not engage in business as a dealer or importer. Licensed collectors may have the annual inspection of records and inventory performed at a BATF office located near the licensee`s premises.

Posted: 1/15/2003 12:00:00 AM

ecotechjosh

if you're just moving and shipping your current firearms to your new address, I do not beleive you need an FFL to ship the firearms to yourself. I would just check with fed ex.

KillermondoDude

hes moving mega rural so he sees a gun he orders it and he doesnt wanna drive 2+hours to get it

GregM

Exactly

What class/grade of license would I need just for ammo and regular pistol/rifles?

KillermondoDude

Look into Curios and relics see what standards are if not that then dealer
Importer and manufacturer are right out


umm spend 3gs and get destructive devices then you can own cannons and rocket launchers and explosives OH MY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

GregM

Thank You

ecotechjosh

that makes sense, I think new mexico is class III too ain't it? w00t machine guns!

GregM

Yep
Class three

I was thinking of having my Fal converted

Coug91

I though you were moving to New Mexico, not Kansas... as in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas.

No good can come of what you are considering, thanks to the '86 ban on new MG's.

GregM

Actually I talked to the guy at DSA when we first decided to move and he said "no problem" as long as I have the correct paper work.
NM is a class 3 state and rather than spend $3k I'd just pay some one to ship it and receive it.
I can do a lot of driving for $3k

FatFugg

I'd do some serious research on that. The way I understand it is even if you are in a Class 3 state the only new full autos are for LEO's & military or if you are an Class 3 FFL & a local LEO requests you to get a dealer sample for there department to test. No legally modifying your new guns with new full auto parts, yet if you live in a Class 3 state & can get your hands on a registered auto sear "still a shitload of money" it can be installed in a new firearm.

This is just my understanding of the rules, but I think I'm pretty close to correct. My brother lives in Idaho, also a Class 3 state, & we did a little research on the subject.

GregM

Maybe I'll just be a cowboy instead



I guess I always wanted to be one anyway

sunofnun

ha ha roy rogers!

reppinthe509

dude...almost a 2 year necro?