Which guns are useless?
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Military is scattered with ill conceived guns
Reising Submachine Gun on Bougainville, Koiari Raid, 29 November 1943
The Reising went into combat with the Marines on Guadalcanal in August of 1942, one of the first major actions of the Pacific Theater of World War II. The Reising proved unsatisfactory for use in combat and was quickly scorned by the Marines who exchanged their Reising for anything else they could obtain. [The photo to the left was taken on the beach at Bougainville (Koiari Raid, 29 November 1943). The Marine closest to the camera has a Model 55 Reising.]
The Reising symptom was jamming, deadly in combat, but the problem was likely its overly complicated mechanism reacting badly to the salt air and sand of the island campaigns. It was also subject to parts that were not interchangable between weapons, unacceptable in the military system of maintenance and supply.
The Ross Rifle
In trench conditions, surrounded by mud and filth, and when it was essential to have a reliable weapon, the Ross was definitely out of place. It had a long barrel and was difficult to use in the trench's confined spaces, and it frequently jammed. It was indeed a fine weapon - on a firing range under controlled conditions. But the First Division's stand at Ypres in the face of a gas attack, Canadian soldiers threw away their Ross rifles in despair and frustration, and picked up Lee-Enfields from dead British soldiers on the battlefield.
Just to name a few
Reising Submachine Gun on Bougainville, Koiari Raid, 29 November 1943
The Reising went into combat with the Marines on Guadalcanal in August of 1942, one of the first major actions of the Pacific Theater of World War II. The Reising proved unsatisfactory for use in combat and was quickly scorned by the Marines who exchanged their Reising for anything else they could obtain. [The photo to the left was taken on the beach at Bougainville (Koiari Raid, 29 November 1943). The Marine closest to the camera has a Model 55 Reising.]
The Reising symptom was jamming, deadly in combat, but the problem was likely its overly complicated mechanism reacting badly to the salt air and sand of the island campaigns. It was also subject to parts that were not interchangable between weapons, unacceptable in the military system of maintenance and supply.
The Ross Rifle
In trench conditions, surrounded by mud and filth, and when it was essential to have a reliable weapon, the Ross was definitely out of place. It had a long barrel and was difficult to use in the trench's confined spaces, and it frequently jammed. It was indeed a fine weapon - on a firing range under controlled conditions. But the First Division's stand at Ypres in the face of a gas attack, Canadian soldiers threw away their Ross rifles in despair and frustration, and picked up Lee-Enfields from dead British soldiers on the battlefield.
Just to name a few
But thats the catch
you could have a marvelous weapon for hunting or an even better range weapon that totally sucked balls in combat
if your rifle fires 1000 times at a range under ideal conditions but fails when you need it the most in combat then to me that rifle sucks BALLS
you could have a marvelous weapon for hunting or an even better range weapon that totally sucked balls in combat
if your rifle fires 1000 times at a range under ideal conditions but fails when you need it the most in combat then to me that rifle sucks BALLS
I am happy to report none nadda zip
But history has proven that some arms the military has been stuck with you simply could not trust your life to
a gun is a tool and just like any tool it has uses for which it excells uses that it vcan be a good deterrent and uses that it is absolute **** at
an unloaded one :hmmmm2:
it always bugs me to see someone rack a slide when they enter a room (on tv or movie)
why the hell isn't there a round in the chamber already :tard:
But now you're talking about having the right tool for the job. That range gun is still very useful, just not for combat. Just like your average combat pistol isn't going to be as accurate as a pimped out race gun.
So both have legitimate uses, they're just not good at both. IMO a "useless" gun would be a either a combat pistol/rifle that wasn't reliable, or a target/hunting gun that wasn't accurate. Something that fails at the mission it was designed for, whatever that mission is. The military guns you describe would be the perfect example: a gun intended for combat that could not perform in the harsh environment of the battlefield.
I can remember always seeing Thomas Magnum rack the slide on his 1911 whenever he whipped it out and thinking it was a little weird. But recently I read something that I had been previously unaware of: up until very recently, soldiers who carried pistols (specifcially 1911 .45s) were not allowed to carry them cocked & locked. Now I'm sure plenty did anyway, but that how was how they were trained supposedly. So Magnum, being ex-Navy, was just following his training and keeping his gun without one in the pipe.
Or maybe it's just Hollywood dramatic effect. :grin:
I would technically consider a mac 10/9 (Military Armament Corporation Model 10) a useless gun
based on these simple facts:
They weren't accurate
They dump a clip way too fast to actually think about what your shooting at
Rediculously short barrel for a sub machine gun
Not successful as a pistol.
So, the question was, are there any useless guns. This gun has a use.. it's fun to take out to a gravel pit, and empty clips at computer moniters, and office chairs..
I give it a usless rating simply because EVERY gun is fun to take to the gravel pit. so based on the other more fun gravel pit monsters, the mac 10 has been deemed 'useless'
PLUS the stupid gangsters liked to tip them sideways and point them out windows as part of the welcome to the neighborhood greetings in all the retarded old gangster movies.
based on these simple facts:
They weren't accurate
They dump a clip way too fast to actually think about what your shooting at
Rediculously short barrel for a sub machine gun
Not successful as a pistol.
So, the question was, are there any useless guns. This gun has a use.. it's fun to take out to a gravel pit, and empty clips at computer moniters, and office chairs..
I give it a usless rating simply because EVERY gun is fun to take to the gravel pit. so based on the other more fun gravel pit monsters, the mac 10 has been deemed 'useless'
PLUS the stupid gangsters liked to tip them sideways and point them out windows as part of the welcome to the neighborhood greetings in all the retarded old gangster movies.
Looks like they're not useless after all... they are the gang bangers drive-by weapon of choice.
duh pete, as you well know based on significant research by the likes of Ice Cube, they would much rather use an AK if it was a good day. or maybe a Nina if the suckas are trippin. Mack 10 was not as gangster as the rest : Mack 10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
as an aside, I would assume the 'nina' they were refering to would have been a glock with the sights mounted homie style or maybe a 'die hard' beretta.
