Is this true?

Aug 2011
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South Puget Sound
Went to Bulls Eye last night and this was on the counter. Checked with Snopes and they say it's false but the site is not always accurate. What do you guys think?

Firearm Ban.pdf

I know things like this float around the Net frequently but if the local gun range has it laying on their counters, it really feels like it rings true and has me a bit nervous. Anyone have some real insight into this?
 
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Jan 2009
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s. greenlake *****
Looks to be a bit of true, and a bit of horseshit mixed together.


There is a reuters article :
U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade | Reuters


It starts out exactly like your pdf, but then changes directions about 88%
TO me it sounds like they are trying to legislate arms trade from the US to other countries.. AND from various country to country..

But I am not sure?


(Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto.

The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the United States would support the talks as long as the negotiating forum, the so-called Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty, "operates under the rules of consensus decision-making."

"Consensus is needed to ensure the widest possible support for the Treaty and to avoid loopholes in the Treaty that can be exploited by those wishing to export arms irresponsibly," Clinton said in a written statement.

While praising the Obama administration's decision to overturn the Bush-era policy and to proceed with negotiations to regulate conventional arms sales, some groups criticized the U.S. insistence that decisions on the treaty be unanimous.

"The shift in position by the world's biggest arms exporter is a major breakthrough in launching formal negotiations at the United Nations in order to prevent irresponsible arms transfers," Amnesty International and Oxfam International said in a joint statement.

However, they said insisting that decisions on the treaty be made by consensus "could fatally weaken a final deal."

"Governments must resist US demands to give any single state the power to veto the treaty as this could hold the process hostage during the course of negotiations. We call on all governments to reject such a veto clause," said Oxfam International's policy adviser Debbie Hillier.

The proposed legally binding treaty would tighten regulation of, and set international standards for, the import, export and transfer of conventional weapons.

Supporters say it would give worldwide coverage to close gaps in existing regional and national arms export control systems that allow weapons to pass onto the illicit market.

Nations would remain in charge of their arms export control arrangements but would be legally obliged to assess each export against criteria agreed under the treaty. Governments would have to authorize transfers in writing and in advance.

The main opponent of the treaty in the past was the U.S. Bush administration, which said national controls were better. Last year, the United States accounted for more than two-thirds of some $55.2 billion in global arms transfer deals.

Arms exporters China, Russia and Israel abstained last year in a U.N. vote on the issue.

The proposed treaty is opposed by conservative U.S. think tanks like the Heritage Foundation, which said last month that it would not restrict the access of "dictators and terrorists" to arms but would be used to reduce the ability of democracies such as Israel to defend their people.

The U.S. lobbying group the National Rifle Association has also opposed the treaty.

A resolution before the U.N. General Assembly is sponsored by seven nations including major arms exporter Britain. It calls for preparatory meetings in 2010 and 2011 for a conference to negotiate a treaty in 2012.
 
Jan 2011
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Grandview, WA
"Is this True?" Yes it is, it is the facts on a proposed arms treaty from the United Nations.
Do some research, this has been an ongoing process for a year or more. Go to the 2nd Amendment website: www.saf.org and find out the real skinny of this proposed treaty. The ultimate purpose of the treaty is to completely ban all firearms, not just the international trade and sales of firearms. Our Democratic administration wants to ban all firearms; Hillary Clinton our Secretary of State has already committed the US on this treaty. Of course, it has to be voted on by the Senate. This administration also sponsored the "Fast and Furious" gun selling scam that got DOJ head Eric Holder in hot water for not producing the documents and for lying/misdirecting the Congressional Oversight Committee. If you're not a NRA member, join! If you have an extra $20 send it to the 2nd Amendment Foundation. Another good site is The Common Sense Gun Lobby Citizens Committee For The Right To Keep And Bear Arms.
 
Jan 2011
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Grandview, WA
Is it True? On the SAF (Second Amendment Foundation), here's a link that may tell you a little more. http://www.saf.org/gt/gt182.pdf Other sites will have this and other info if you so desire. The whole treaty thing is it is open for amendments and will be voted on by a consensus vote, which likely could be a voice vote and the "aye's have it." All of us that enjoy shooting, hunting or collecting need to keep aware of the proposed laws and who's pushing what agenda. Have you read about Agenda 21? It's another UN treaty proposal that's a real humdinger. Happy reading!
 
Jan 2010
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Sherwood, OR
The fact that it is not signed or reference any actual data is always a bad sign, and it is surely hyped up to put fear into the reader. That being said, it is true that Hillary and Barack have agreed to support the UN treaty. The thing is, the treaty is still being written, so we don't know exactly what it will say yet.

There are a lot of concerns about the treaty, especially since once the president signs it, it can hang out for years until a later Senate that is more agreable decides to vote on it. The outlines that I have seen would seem to focus on banning the sale of small arms to private citizens in other countries, which would effectively cut off all international trade and gut the firearms market.

But previous posters are correct, the end goal of the people pushing this thing is to make all private gun ownership illegal.

Definitly something to keep an eye on, but right now it is still in the developmental stages.
 
Aug 2011
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South Puget Sound
Well... check this out: NRA

So Obama has a quiet agenda. He's not getting my vote, not in any reality!
 
Jan 2009
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s. greenlake *****
Obama didn't get my vote the first time..
He won't this time either..

but then, I haven't voted for a president since I was 18.


lol
 
Aug 2011
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South Puget Sound
WHERE???? (as the click of countless safeties being switched off resounded throughout the room...)

LOL
 
Aug 2011
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South Puget Sound
Pft, safeties... ;)

Heh. Mine doesn't have a safety. Always chambered. Locked & loaded.

I saw a guy the other day at Walmart open carrying. Dude walked with such a swagger, my girlfriend giggled and said to me, "Thinks he's a real tough guy... wonder what he's compensating for." I mean, this guy had is chest stuck out, head high, arms bent, hands clinched and had a look like, "**** with me, I'll shoot ya!" Dudes like that really annoy me and give the rest of us bad raps. I hate seeing that kind of crap.
 
Jul 2011
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Seattle
Eh, lots of chicken-little IMO.

I mean Nixon signed the biological and toxin weapons convention in 1977, it was rejected in 2001(ish) How long has it been since the senate ratified any treaty much less one that would be be lucky to get maybe 1/4 of support from Senate?
 
Jan 2009
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Kirkland, WA
Heh. Mine doesn't have a safety. Always chambered. Locked & loaded.

I saw a guy the other day at Walmart open carrying. Dude walked with such a swagger, my girlfriend giggled and said to me, "Thinks he's a real tough guy... wonder what he's compensating for." I mean, this guy had is chest stuck out, head high, arms bent, hands clinched and had a look like, "**** with me, I'll shoot ya!" Dudes like that really annoy me and give the rest of us bad raps. I hate seeing that kind of crap.
I say that simply because I've been a Glock guy recently -- don't even move my thumb toward where a safety would be anymore. That might change when I get the Shield (did I mention I hate waiting?)

Eh, lots of chicken-little IMO.

I mean Nixon signed the biological and toxin weapons convention in 1977, it was rejected in 2001(ish) How long has it been since the senate ratified any treaty much less one that would be be lucky to get maybe 1/4 of support from Senate?

Might be. But you know us, BLD!
 
Aug 2011
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South Puget Sound
That might change when I get the Shield (did I mention I hate waiting?)

Now THAT'S a sweet one. I'm lookin pretty hard at that, even though it's a S&W (I'm a Ruger guy when it comes to pistols -- nothing against S&W at all). But I'd like to shoot a few dozen rounds first. Small grips make me nervous. Sometimes I carry my girl's .380 and wonder if I'll fumble when I draw in a situation. And I really hope I can afford a Shield.
 
Sep 2011
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Houston, TX
Technically it's not untrue...

Check out this link UN Arms Trade Treaty: Real Laws for a (and put the site in your RSS if you don't read it already, the guys who run it do a really good job). I don't think the conclusions they draw are out there. Obviously, any treaty has to be ratified by Congress, and I'm thinking this has about a snowball's chance you know where.
 
Jan 2009
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Renton, WA
I'm still pissed off at all the paranoid chicken littles that bleated "OBAMA IS GUNNA TAKE YER GUNS AWAY!!!" and the ensuing shortage of ammo etc and massively inflated prices, which still have not returned to pre-idiot chicken little days. Thanks for nothing, assholes. :censored:

So yeah, maybe I'm jaded now, but I'll believe it when I see it. Good luck getting something like that passed here. Banning all firearms would be a direct violation of our constitution, and there would be public outrage. Just cuz some idiots WANT a total ban, doesn't mean they have a snowball's chance in hell of ever making it happen.
 
Aug 2011
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South Puget Sound
I'm still pissed off at all the paranoid chicken littles that bleated "OBAMA IS GUNNA TAKE YER GUNS AWAY!!!" and the ensuing shortage of ammo etc and massively inflated prices, which still have not returned to pre-idiot chicken little days. Thanks for nothing, assholes. :censored:

So yeah, maybe I'm jaded now, but I'll believe it when I see it. Good luck getting something like that passed here. Banning all firearms would be a direct violation of our constitution, and there would be public outrage. Just cuz some idiots WANT a total ban, doesn't mean they have a snowball's chance in hell of ever making it happen.

Yes, Pete, I believe you'd be correct... mostly. Although there would be a major fight over it, that doesn't mean they won't try to AMEND the Constitution to undermine the 2nd Amendment. People have legit fears about this, even though it may not be right, lots of things have gone down that aren;t right. And Obama has done some shitty things recently without Congressional ok and gotten away with it. That doesn't mean I believe he will cancel the 2nd Amendment, it just means he can sure pull some crap to make it harder to buy and keep our arms. Problem is, every time an idiot resorts to shooting someone over something stupid (Like the incident early this a.m. in Federal Way at the bar) or a kid gets his hands on dad's gun and shoots his sister, the anti-gun butt-heads will scream bloody murder.

It still can happen. And, I'm going to let you guys in on a secret... Obama IS the Antichrist. :tard::eek::lol:
 
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