Not one guy in the entire theater full of people prepared to fight back? WTF has happened to our country? We used to be a nation of warriors ready to defend one another.
Colorado shooting
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I'm with ya, Brian. Beginning to wonder why in none of the recent mass shootings nobody has stood up to defend. However, the tear gas and darkness in the theater may have made it nearly impossible to get a clear shot. This is really a terrible tragedy and getting scary out there with these nuts. You never know...
well if he was standing up front "on stage" wouldn't have been hard to get a shot..
the report I read said he walked to the front of the theater and faced the audience.
******.. If your a ******* depressed delusional ******* do the world a favor, man up and take yourself out...
the report I read said he walked to the front of the theater and faced the audience.
******.. If your a ******* depressed delusional ******* do the world a favor, man up and take yourself out...
...and not take any innocents with you. One thing you have to remember, he gassed the place so I would be inclined to think people were disoriented and visibly impaired. We were not there so its really a tough call...
What is sad is that liberals will use this as a poster to create gun control legislation. It's not gun control it is the attitude of our population not to defend themselves and to label anyone who tries to defend and "crazy". This is a truly depressing thing. I mean really how F'ed up in the head do you have to be!!!
I think maybe that people are too scared these days to call people on their S too. If people were more willing to say hey this guy or these kids are Fing NUTS some of this crap wouldn't happen.
I think maybe that people are too scared these days to call people on their S too. If people were more willing to say hey this guy or these kids are Fing NUTS some of this crap wouldn't happen.
fire this article back at the hippie insurgents..
Gun control or carry permits won't stop mass murder - CNN.com
Gun control or carry permits won't stop mass murder - CNN.com
One witness report said he and three others were 5-6 feet away. and they watched him empty the 870 and then go to the AR.. 5-6 feet. and they didn't react...
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Were they armed? I bet they were in complete shock, man. We can never definitively say just how we would react in these situations, no matter what the training or arming. I hope I'd act appropriately in a given situation but until you're there, heck, you don't know what you're going to do until you do it.
Think about it: Same situation, but all of us in this thread are there, armed. We all draw. One or two of us is closer to the perp than the others and in all the mayhem, with all our guns drawn, who you gonna shoot? I fire a shot a the dude, drop him. But you didn't see it, because from YOUR vantage point, You see the flash from my muzzle.. thinking I'm the bad guy, you drop me! Consider the fact that the guy had tossed a couple tear gas cannisters (or something like that) and everything is fuzzy from the smoke and your own tears. Not saying these guys were necessarily affected by it from their location.
I think the question is not if we'd act, but whether it would be safe to act. Sometimes duck and cover is the best solution. Again, we were not there, so it's tough to say what an armed person should/should not have done.
dude, it's a ******* shooting. If you're waiting for a SAFE gunfight, you might as well not carry a gun. This world already has too many Noodlebacks. Sometimes a guy has to put his personal safety aside and step up, otherwise he's just another target.
This is where training comes into play. If all you do is kick the **** out of paper bad guys, all you'll be ready for is paper assholes. Seek out some quality training. Get proficient at FIGHTING, not just shooting and prepare yourself mentally. Role through scenarios constantly in your head so when **** goes sideways you've at least gone over it before. Most of us carry and go to the theater. If you've never thought "this is a fucked up place to be in a shooting, what would I do?" then your head isn't in the game.
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Absolutely NOT! You are misunderstanding me. You don't want to shoot unless you have a clear shot! I said that too! Dont presume to tell me I shouldn't carry a gun. I won't endanger someone else to get to the perp. You took the example too literally, it was merely an illustration. Your cavalier attitude will get yourself killed one day. Stepping up? You have to know you have a CLEAR ******* SHOT! This isnt the goddam wild west! I won't shoot unless I have a clear solution, and if being concerned for my safety as well as other innocents, then so beit. I won't take out an innocent just to down the perp.
It's attitudes like yours that gives us a bad name. You draw, you'd better have a bead on your solution. Just because some fuckup has a gun and is blasting away, you don't automatically draw. Going in guns blazing ISN'T the answer! Absolutely my saftety is of concern, equal to that of everyone else! I don't want the weight of taking out an innocent to get to the perp on my mind. Maybe you think you're the ******* Terminator or something, but carrying a gun doesn't mean you have to be trigger happy. I hope I never meet you, you just might draw because someone twitches.
I never said anything about a SAFE gunfight. YOU did. But the idea of being armed is for the SAFETY of yourself AND others. Be reasonable. But you won't pay attention to this, you've already labled me a coward but I don't give a **** what you think you know about me.
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LOL.. do you know what brian does for a living? He's been in the line of fire most likely more than you or I.
He won't blow his own horn.. so I will. I've known him over 10 years.. and trust his opinion and judgement.. I also ask him for advice from time to time.. which for me is rare..
take it however you want..
I'm just saying he's taken things out of context, misread, and made a judgment that's incorrect. And what he said reflects a cavalier attitude, "Oh bad guy! Draw gun! FIRE!" You guys should know better, we WERE NOT THERE! You can never say definitively how you will react. All the experience in the world won't prepare you 100% for ANY situation, much less correctly identify someone as a coward because of concern for personal and public safety.
No matter what his experience, his statement was wrong.
No matter what his experience, his statement was wrong.
I haven't labeled you a coward, i used the term "noodleback" and while derogatory, i was using it in the general sense and not specifically directed at you. I think you need some active shooter training. I never said you should risk killing others to get the bad guy although that may occur. I'm saying you kick, fight, knock the **** out of anyone or anything preventing you from killing the bad guy then shooting him in the face until he is no longer a threat. You have to be mentally prepared to go through the 10 year old kid, punch the old lady or trample the little girl to get the shot as quickly as possible. Why? Because every second you waste he is killing people. Every second you vacillate on pulling your weapon, more people will die. if you're going to be a sheepdog, your one and only purpose is killing the wolf, everything else is a distraction.....if what I've described is offensive to you then that's unfortunate but it's the best and only way to deal with these situations. Reality sucks man, best be prepared for it.
Brian,
You have no idea of my background, nor my training. I will not take a shot if there is an innocent between me and the shooter. That's murder. If I had to go through YOUR grandma to get a shooter, you'd be gunning for me! Don't freakin deny it. If I had a clear shot, I would take it, plain and simple. No hesitation. You may be some freakin rambo or something, but that's not an acceptable liability. Because I won't take out an innocent does not make me. I'm prepared to take someone out if there is a clear and present threat and I have a shot. I don't believe in "acceptable losses." I'd rather go to jail for taking out the shooter than missing and hitting someone else instead.
---WHile I may not have had any military training, I've had enough defensive training to know, for whatever that's worth to you. I've got the balls to take out a threat when it's in front of me. Been there. Enough said on that subject.---
Once again, NONE of us was there. Neither of us can say how we would have reacted. Period.
By the way, nobody has said whether or not these witnesses were armed or not.
Again, never said it's acceptable to kill an innocent. You seem focused on that. Let it go. It's your other comments I was referring to. You keep saying things like "if I had a clear shot". **** that, you fight to get a clear shot. You are there to save lives and that entails significant personal risk. That is where the mindset differences are apparent.
As far as backgrounds go, dude, I don't care who you are or what you've done either. It's the interweb, we are all badasses here. Call me "Rambo" if you like, I'm not a little girl who'll get butthurt about it. If you can't see where I'm coming from from what I've posted, at least I tried. Good luck.
As far as backgrounds go, dude, I don't care who you are or what you've done either. It's the interweb, we are all badasses here. Call me "Rambo" if you like, I'm not a little girl who'll get butthurt about it. If you can't see where I'm coming from from what I've posted, at least I tried. Good luck.
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