DerBarbarian

I saw this a few days ago. Was just wondering what your thoughts are? I don't think it has much of a chance of passing, considering most democrats have said that they want nothing to do with gun control as it would weigh heavily when re-election time comes around. Although if it did, it seems like there would be several ways around it. At Aimsurplus.com Ammunitiontogo and Freedom Munitions all require that you have a photo ID on file with them in order to buy ammunition. Anyways I was just curious what you guys thought about it, predicted etc..

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Democratic Sen. Frank Lautenberg on Monday continued his lead role in advancing gun control legislation in the wake of the Aurora, Colo. mass shooting by introducing a bill to ban the online sale of ammunition.

"If someone wants to purchase deadly ammunition, they should have to come face-to-face with the seller," Lautenberg stated in his announcement. "It's one thing to buy a pair of shoes online, but it should take more than a click of the mouse to amass thousands of rounds of ammunition."

"The Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act" asserts the following: ammunition will only be sold by licensed dealers; buyers who are not licensed dealers will be required to present photo identification; and licensed dealers must maintain records of ammunition sales and report to officials the sale of more than 1,000 rounds to an unlicensed person. Democratic Rep. Carolyn McCarthy of New York, whose husband was killed and son severely injured in the 1993 Long Island Rail Road mass shooting, has signed on to publicly support the bill.

Lautenberg's office noted Monday that the shooter who killed 12 and injured 58 in the July 20 attack at the Colorado movie theater purchased upwards of 6,000 rounds of ammunition "anonymously on the internet."

Lautenberg last week garnered support from three fellow Democratic members of Congress including McCarthy for a bill to ban the sale of high-capacity gun magazines.

These lawmakers have stood alone in their plight as fellow Democrats in Washington, the White House and other Democratic officials have suggested gun control will continue to have little traction ahead of of Election Day. "It's a bad time to embrace a new subject," California Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a gun control advocate, said July 22 on "Fox News Sunday."

Deldonna

I buy from freedom munitions online all the time and have never provided photo I.d.??

GixxerPete

People who don't know jack shit about guns shouldn't not be allowed to even propose legislation regulating them without educating themselves first. There's a lot of hysteria in the media over this, with people thinking 6,000 rounds is some massively huge insane number, that only the military could ever possibly need or want that many rounds, which we all know is just plain silly. 6K rounds is not that much.

Not to mention the fact that while buying online may have been more convenient for the killer in this case, he could have just as easily gone to a Cabela's etc and walked out with 6 boxes of 1000 rounds and nobody would have even blinked.

It's just another solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

DerBarbarian

Hey I'm sorry man, that was my bad, they require photo ID if you're a resident of Illinois.

DerBarbarian

Yea Pete I totally agree! It's frustrating to say the least.. Like I said, I'm honestly not too worried about this passing and being ratified.. Most all of the democrats and even the White House have pretty much said they're not going to touch any gun control legislation as it will clearly cost them much needed votes. My buddy was actually telling me the same thing in terms of ammo quantity, he had a couple of reactions like that, saying no one needs that much ammo blah blah, and he tried explaining that you can easily go through 1000+ rounds in a day of shooting. Unfortunately with the anti-gun folk nothing you say will change their mind. Look at the whole assault weapons ban for example, the feds did a study that showed that only 1% of firearms used in gun related crimes were "assault weapons" even with that data they're still pushing for the AWB to be reinstated..

CNN had one of those debate forums, where they had 2 people essentially debating about gun laws etc.. The debate they aired on their website I think it was last week, both people were from Washington, both were firearm owners, 1 was pro gun, the other wasn't.. The guy that was anti-gun brought up points as to why the AWB ban was good, and he thinks there needs to be stricter laws when it comes to guns, and ammunition, he also said that they should "stop making Teflon coated bullets that's only purpose are to kill cops" which is absolutely idiotic, They don't even make Teflon coated rounds anymore, they stopped making them in the early - mid 90's and they found that Teflon cut down on the round's ability to cut through the nylon or Kevlar of body armor.
Long story short I totally agree with you, they need to get people that are actually informed in terms of firearms before they try to implement anything, all of this misinformation that gets thrown out by the anti-gun crowd is just stupid. It's sad that people actually listen to them and agree with the false information they're putting out.

GixxerPete

If 'cop killer' bullets are made only to kill cops, how come cops use them? derp

Pop quiz: has anyone, anywhere, at any time, ever seen ammo marketed as 'cop killer'? I sure as hell haven't. Since LEOs are a big customer of all the major ammo manufacturers, it would sure seem silly to make and/or market ammo for the express purpose of killing one of your best customers.

Just another perfect example of the gross stupidity of statements made by the rabid anti-gun crowd that doesn't stand up to any logic or rational thought.

richardlpalmer

Werd

Brianaintright

Whoever came up with that term is a tool but it does grab attention and promotes the anti-gun agenda.....it's all marketing.

I want "life-saver" bullets. Make them in several different colors, big rainbow on the box. When people bitch we'll know all of those hippies are really just homophobic. Anti-gun = anti-gay. Huge win here!

When hornady comes out with this, you guys know I was first. Can't have my intellectual property rights marginalized.

DerBarbarian

Hey Pete, I remember reading a bit about how those "cop Killer" bullets got their name, so I did a little digging trying to find the article, ended up finding it on Wiki Here's the link to the page. Wiki


In 1982, NBC ran a television special on the bullets (against the requests of many police organizations) and argued that the bullets were a threat to police. Gun control organizations in the U.S. labeled Teflon-coated bullets "cop killers" because of the supposedly increased penetration the bullets offered against ballistic vests, a staple of the American police uniform. Many erroneously focused on the Teflon coating as the source of the bullets' supposedly increased penetration, rather than the hardness of the metals used. A common misconception, often perpetuated by films and television, is that coating normal bullets with Teflon will give them armor-piercing capabilities. In reality, Teflon and similar coatings were used primarily as a means to protect the gun barrel from the hardened bullet; the coating itself does not add any measurable armor-piercing abilities to otherwise normal ammunition.

BigStick

There may not be cop killer bullets, but at least we have ZombieMax thanks to Hornady!

richardlpalmer

I'm just saying posts can dissapear on a forum. Not that they would of course. But it COULD happen... ;)