qballrail

Taxing Bullets

Rediculous beyond description.

rodrob

The object of the gun grabbers is not to make citizens safer by taking guns from criminals, the object is to disarm the general, law abiding populace so we cannot oppose them. Why do you think the founders of our country put the Bill of Rights in the particular order they did. The first amendment was to protect speech and the Second Amendment was to protect the right to keep and bear arms. It is the second most important right in this constitutional country. It was meant to keep the government from becoming overbearing and dictatorial; just what is happening in the US right now.

qballrail

The other problem is so many people are becoming apathetic. I bet about 75% of the voting population has no idea there is a Libertarian candidate! Because of the media, all people know are Obama & Romney. They base their opinions on what the news feeds them, and that includes guns. "Oh my, another gun shot someone else..."

mjn

While there is certainly truth in your statement, any vote cast to a candidate other that Romney/Ryan is a vote for Obama.
I don't know about you, but I am certainly "hoping" for a "change"....

qballrail

That's actually a myth. I talked to the registrar of voters office and any vote for your candidate is just that. You vote for whom you want on the ballot. It's not like you vote for Joe Shmoe but it actually goes to Joe Schmuck. That's voter fraud. However, the Electoral College is a different story. No matter who you vote for, your rep is going to vote the way they please. There's always been controversy over the Electoral College and Popular Vote and how it came to be is lost to history. But, no, your vote is for whomever you vote for... that's where you get the percentages. It never ends up 50/50, there is always the "missing" votes which went for candidates who didn't end up with enough votes to remain til the Primary.

richardlpalmer

It's possible you've misinterpreted what Jason was saying.

The idea is that if you don't vote for Romney your vote is as good as wasted -- because no other party is going to garner enough support to be a legitimate threat.

So no, there's no literal voter fraud going on (well, there might be but that's a different discussion), but rather a sentiment that if you don't vote for one of the 2 big parties you have a wasted vote. And further, if you don't directly vote against the incumbent, you're essentially voting for him with your wasted vote.

Brianaintright

Ross Perot ran in 1992 as an independent small government gonna change the world platform. We ended up with 8 years of Clinton. Screw that. You guys fuck us and all you've done is hand Obama 4 more years to further his agenda. 4 years where he is not worried about reelection.

It's almost like Ron Paul is being supported by the left, knowing it will split the conservative vote just enough to give Obama the edge.

GixxerPete

And what agenda would that be? And that's worse than Romney's agenda how exactly?

qballrail

What ALL gun owners need to do is vote for Gary Johnson. I'm talking about an UPSET. What can they do if the balance is tipped??? Why vote for someone you DON'T want when there IS a choice! People don't vote for who they WANT anymore and that's throwing away your vote.

If nobody knows who Gary Johnson is, do a little RESEARCH and see. Yes, thats a link to his page. He SUPPORTS the 2nd Amendment. That right there should be enough to at least pique your interest. Yeah, I know, I'm probably going to get flamed for this but I won't throw my vote away for "the lesser of two evils" out of pressure. No way! IF there is a choice, and it looks like there is, make it. The more people know about this guy the better. The reason we don't know is because the media has made us believe the only two candidates are Obama & Romney. I'm sick of this bull shit and it s time to take our country back.

BTW, a friend of mine lives in NM and he likes this guy, Johnson was Governor of NM and did a pretty damn good job. Just read his site and don't knock it till you've read about it.

richardlpalmer

When we saw who the Republican nominee was going to be, Vicki and I turned to each other and said something along the lines of, "Looks like our votes are going to Obama this time". :crackup:

richardlpalmer

Ideology aside, the fact that no one knows who this guy is should tell you you'll be trying to do something akin to trying to put out the sun with a bucket of kerosene...

qballrail

You don't know that... this is part of the problem, nobody gives people like this the CHANCE to try. Why put the kabash on something that could improve our current situation? That's exactly what youre doing. Exactly what the media and the current idiots in power want you to think. Did you even take the time to READ his background? People are resistant of change and always suspicious of anyone who want to make it happen. All this talk about not wanting to lose your rights is just talk unless we do something about it. Here's our chance. He's a far cry better than the two options we have in our faces. And I thougth I was pessimistic.

richardlpalmer

I might not "know" that, but I'm very confident of it.

Look, I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying it's good. But unless there's exposure (be it grass roots or paid advertisements) there's just no way a candidate is going to get enough traction to make it.

Look at Ron Paul. Apparently he's right behind Romney in terms of people's interest and he was never even taken seriously in the media. But people at least know about him. They talk & debate about him. Makes sense that he could have some hope of contending, right? But this other fellow isn't on anyone's radar. I'm not even being pessimistic. It's just a point of realism.

There's a couple months before voting will take place. The bulk of citizens are being faced with a decision between 2 or 3 possibilities. To think that some independent guy could garner enough support in that tiny time frame to be of any consequence isn't very realistic.

If he's a valid option, he needs to start working on his campaign starting November 5th and then be in the race for 2016. That would make sense to me -- but not at this stage...