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Open Carry and Legally Arm Yourself - YouTube
Open Carry and Legally Arm Yourself - YouTube
Honestly, I'm not feeling the whole open carry cuz i can thing. It is not raising awareness, it is escalating awkwardness. The general public is ill at ease with open carry in this corner of the world, exceeding the tolerance of the community will ultimately lead to unfavorable policy, ordinance, and legislative changes. I have no problem with open carry, I just see good-willed citizens incurring harassment and hassles at best, and some unlucky enough to find legal encumberances they don't need, while exercising their lawful 2A rights. To be candid, it seems like some are flirting with confrontations, and are surprised when things don't go the way they did in the YouTube videos, they imagined it would work out for them, but it works out quite differently.
Well said
I think Mr. Eddie sums it up nicely. The general public doesn't like it, and scaring the sheeple does not bring enlightenment.
The recent anti-Starbucks hub-bub is a good illustration.
What's worse, open carry gives away your element of surprise; a compromise without much apparent gain for the average citizen.
I think Mr. Eddie sums it up nicely. The general public doesn't like it, and scaring the sheeple does not bring enlightenment.
The recent anti-Starbucks hub-bub is a good illustration.
What's worse, open carry gives away your element of surprise; a compromise without much apparent gain for the average citizen.
I can only speak for myself.
I randomly carry open, Ive had a few "interesting" moments with people about it but NEVER something I would or should feel weird about..
every time has been educating on both parts.
hell 1 time I took the person shooting a couple weeks later...
random stranger turned into gun owner.
I randomly carry open, Ive had a few "interesting" moments with people about it but NEVER something I would or should feel weird about..
every time has been educating on both parts.
hell 1 time I took the person shooting a couple weeks later...
random stranger turned into gun owner.
For what it's worth, last week my barber was telling me about a customer she had who was working as a professional investigator and would come in openly armed each time.
She said it was scary for her to see a guy carrying a gun who was not in police uniform.
(The guy is now working uniform patrol here in Tacoma)
Point of the story: she never told the guy it was an intimidating experience for her. So: as far as he knows it was "just fine".
She said it was scary for her to see a guy carrying a gun who was not in police uniform.
(The guy is now working uniform patrol here in Tacoma)
Point of the story: she never told the guy it was an intimidating experience for her. So: as far as he knows it was "just fine".
I go both ways on this issue, and your motivation and demeanor makes a big difference in how it turns out. But as far as the question you ask, I would not expect to be treated appropriately. Hope that you will be, but know your rights, and possibly even the local authorities leanings on the practice. Comply with any requests by the LEO that shows up.
Pretty much treat it like any other interaction with LEO, and make sure to ask wether or not they informed the "caller" that it is legal to OC. That is part of the education that needs to take place.
Pretty much treat it like any other interaction with LEO, and make sure to ask wether or not they informed the "caller" that it is legal to OC. That is part of the education that needs to take place.
Just simple common sense should be used.
If I am hunting in Eastern Oregon, and going from one location to another I
may have a long barreled sidearm on if I stop to eat of shop, and people generally don't think a thing about it. Hunting season, and I, many times used a handgun.
If in an urban area, regardless of the season, I wouldn't open carry anywhere.
People are just, to put it mildly, WEIRD, and it's asking for a problem when none need to be there. Conceal carry anywhere, but open carry in appropriate places.
Frankly I wouldn't open carry anywhere anymore.
The element of surprise is something I want on my side if ever needed.
If I am hunting in Eastern Oregon, and going from one location to another I
may have a long barreled sidearm on if I stop to eat of shop, and people generally don't think a thing about it. Hunting season, and I, many times used a handgun.
If in an urban area, regardless of the season, I wouldn't open carry anywhere.
People are just, to put it mildly, WEIRD, and it's asking for a problem when none need to be there. Conceal carry anywhere, but open carry in appropriate places.
Frankly I wouldn't open carry anywhere anymore.
The element of surprise is something I want on my side if ever needed.
A buddy of mine actually just showed this to me. It's pretty crazy..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_aEqzE8Jac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_aEqzE8Jac
Went out trying to provoke a problem, and got what he wanted.
Not a bright bulb..........
Things like this turns people against us all, especially the police that just might be on our side to begin with. It makes our 2nd amendment fights all the harder in the end.
We have been in this battle for 50 + years, and shouldn't have to do this any more, but guess we have to stay at it for life. Things like this dont help one bit. This isn't the 1800's and he isn't Wyatt Earp.
Times change, ideas change and we must fight to keep our Constitution intact !
The open carry bravado only harms In this days mentality.
Our right to carry also should also include an ingrained responsibility to not try to stir the pot with the anti AH's. They seem to create enough of their own idiotic motivation.
Besides, if criminals do not know who may end their careers, it acts as a deterrent to many. It also gives you the edge on those too stupid to comprehend their risks.
Most of all it makes the work of those truly fighting politically all the much harder when the media uses these things against us all.
Open carry confrontations work against the 2nd Amendment protection fight and plays right into the hands of the leftist antis game plan.
I am sure some bull headed people will jump on me for this, but you know what. I don't give a damn. I have spent my life in this fight and I will stand by what I say.
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Just a small sample of what we will be butting heads with in 2014 and 2016. We dont need the fodder for the media that open carry brings.
There is a serious problem in America and by the looks of this it will be a battle everyone needs to do their best in.
Sample:
Liberals Lead 2016 GOP Poll - Patriot UpdatePatriot Update
http://patriotupdate.com/2013/08/liberals-lead-2016-gop-poll/
There is a serious problem in America and by the looks of this it will be a battle everyone needs to do their best in.
Sample:
Liberals Lead 2016 GOP Poll - Patriot UpdatePatriot Update
http://patriotupdate.com/2013/08/liberals-lead-2016-gop-poll/
There's a bit of that, sure. But the fact is the guy hadn't committed a crime and there was no suspicion of a crime having been committed (according to the officer). "Wondering why you're taking pictures" is not a crime. Being detained for no reason, being searched (patted down), having to answer questions, provide papers/documentation, etc. are all bullshit.
While I understand the cops are being told to be more and more nanny in their dealings, it doesn't mean their directives usurp the constitution. I don't have to talk to a police officer. I do not have to submit to being searched. I do not have to provide information. I am allowed to walk about freely without being detained.
I feel the angst about open carry, but it's part of the problem that needs to be faced. The general public need to be educated that it's alright to do it. That it's a constitutional right. If I see someone walking down the street with a bag of groceries I don't call 911. Why? Because there's nothing wrong with it! The subject of open carry is on that order of silliness.
So to kowtow to that think and tell people, "Hey man, it'd just be better if you drove to get your groceries and put them in your trunk. The general public is weirded out by people walking with them, so why flame the fire?" is ludicrous to me.
See, at my work today (I work at a starbucks) my bosses were all talking to each other about how it was national "guns and coffee day" and if someone came in and you felt uncomfortable here's the card of someone in the local police department who said to call them and they'll have someone come over. I went on to tell them that it's legal for them to openly carry a firearm and that we shouldn't feel uncomfortable unless they're behaving inappropriately and I actually had to tell three of my coworkers they ARE allowed to carry a pistol openly and that many people carry concealed as well.
See, THAT'S what I'm talking about. I'm curious, did any of the three coworkers seem surprised by that?
I was talking to a lady at my son's school and the subject of guns came up -- open carry to be exact. She had zero concept that it was perfectly legal. I mean zero. In her mind the most minor permit would be for a concealed weapon -- and the most difficult permit to ever be issued would be for open carry. But that no civilian would ever be issued such a permit, only LEO-types.
I still don't think she believed me when I attempted to inform her of the facts. She just kept going back to, "No. That's impossible! Really?"
you've been a gun owner for, what, like 3 weeks now? :top:
love it.
new converts are always the most militant to any new religion.
They had no idea. It actually took asking a cop on his way through if civilians were allowed to open carry and concealed carry to convince one of them who proceeded to tell me "That's terrifying!" That's what happens when you're young and you have no exposure to pro-gun ideas. You only know what the media tells you and so you think guns are weapons of mass murder meant for cops and killers.
A customer walked in (i know him from previous interactions, he's a detective in Seattle) with a pistol on his belt (it wasn't super visible) and one of the girls noticed it and it was like a chain reaction. I didn't know what was going on but I watched one girl freak out and then tell another girl who told another girl who ran and told the manager on duty. I came over to see what was going on and I explained to them all that he was a cop and they all pretty much immediately stopped panicking and went on with what they were doing. It was pathetic.
