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Old 04-11-2014, 05:36 AM   #1
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UN Arms Treaty.

Another Day, Another Step Toward UN Arms Treaty Enforcement


Gradually and silently, the specter of the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) is rising again to threaten the right of Americans to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment.

On March 29, The New American reported on President Obama’s signature on a joint U.S.-EU statement calling for the “entry into force of the Arms Trade Treaty in 2014.” Although it is demonstrably offensive to the Constitution, the president’s participation in the statement went all but unreported.

Now, another “major step forward” toward enforcement of the globalist gun grab is barely registering on the national news radar, even among constitutionalists. Reuters reported on April 2 that “18 countries, including five of the world's top 10 arms exporters, delivered proof of its ratification to the United Nations.”
 
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Old 04-11-2014, 05:38 AM   #2
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This is a noteworthy development, Reuters explains, because the arms agreement will “enter into force” (sound familiar?) when “50 countries have presented proof of ratification to the United Nations.” To date, 31 member nations have ratified the Arms Trade Treaty.

As for the United States, Secretary of State John Kerry signed the treaty last September “in the name of President Obama and the United States.” Given that the United States is nothing more or less than the collective political will of the citizens of the United States, Secretary Kerry took it upon himself to demonstrate to the UN and the world that Americans are ready to hand over their firearms and cede complete control of weapons and ammunition to the federal government.
 
Old 04-11-2014, 09:38 AM   #3
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Doesn't make a squat bit of difference in the USA NO TREATY SHALL BE binding until the US SENATE Ratifies it. ONGO BONGO can sign anything he wants. And it makes no difference. ALSO the US Supreme Court has ruled no Treaty can negate the Bill of Rights.
 
Old 04-11-2014, 10:03 AM   #4
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Doesn't make a squat bit of difference in the USA NO TREATY SHALL BE binding until the US SENATE Ratifies it. ONGO BONGO can sign anything he wants. And it makes no difference. ALSO the US Supreme Court has ruled no Treaty can negate the Bill of Rights.
Why do people keep saying this? IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!!

You think gun and ammo prices are high now? Just wait until no other manufacturing countries will export to us because we are not following the guidlines of the treaty that they ratified and the UN is "enforcing". Russia will probably never sign it (although I wouldn't put it past them to sign and then ignore it), so we can hopefully keep getting the cheap Russian ammo (unless the continue to invade Ukraine and we halt trade or something).

It may not directly prevent our actions here in our country, but it will have a significant impact.
 
Old 04-11-2014, 07:05 PM   #5
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The Harper government faced sharp criticism Wednesday for its continued refusal to sign a landmark treaty to regulate the global arms trade.

A group of non-governmental agencies, called the Control Arms Coalition, said it was frustrated and disappointed that the government did not follow the United States and more than 90 other countries in signing the Arms Trade Treaty.
 
Old 04-11-2014, 07:09 PM   #6
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That's Canada. Would not sigh, but Kerry with open arms sighed for Obama! Enjoy.
 
Old 04-19-2014, 10:23 PM   #7
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Why do people keep saying this? IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!!

You think gun and ammo prices are high now? Just wait until no other manufacturing countries will export to us because we are not following the guidlines of the treaty that they ratified and the UN is "enforcing". Russia will probably never sign it (although I wouldn't put it past them to sign and then ignore it), so we can hopefully keep getting the cheap Russian ammo (unless the continue to invade Ukraine and we halt trade or something).

It may not directly prevent our actions here in our country, but it will have a significant impact.
So your saying that these other countries will just fold up their firearms and ammunition businesses and convert to making thimbles and sewing machines? Because without the 80+ Million customers in the USA who are they going to be selling to? Mexico? England? India? Yea right.
 
Old 04-20-2014, 04:01 PM   #8
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The Obama administration has removed all operational combat tanks from Europe and key strike aircraft, limiting the options for a show of force to bolster eastern NATO allies as Russia contemplates invading Ukraine.

Most analysts, and President Obama, say direct military aid to Kiev in the form of weapons, air power or ground troops is off the table


Enjoy!
 
Old 04-20-2014, 04:06 PM   #9
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STUTTGART, Germany -- The U.S. Army’s 69-year history of basing main battle tanks on German soil quietly ended last month when 22 Abrams tanks, a main feature of armored combat units throughout the Cold War, embarked for the U.S.

The departure of the last M-1 Abrams tanks coincides with the inactivation of two of the Army’s Germany-based heavy brigades. Last year, the 170th Infantry out of Baumholder disbanded. And the 172nd Separate Infantry Brigade at Grafenwöhr is in the process of doing the same.

On March 18, the remaining tanks were loaded up at the 21st Theater Sustainment Command’s railhead in Kaiserslautern where they then made the journey to the shipping port in Bremerhaven, Germany. There they boarded a ship bound for South Carolina.

The tanks belonged to the 172nd along with a mix that were leftover from other units, according to the 21st TSC.

"It is an honor to be one of the soldiers escorting the last battle tanks out of Germany," said Sgt. Jeremy Jordan of the 529th Military Police Company, in an Army story about the journey. "As these tanks sail back to the U.S., we are closing a chapter in history."
 
Old 04-20-2014, 04:10 PM   #10
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Tail between the Legs , Put a Fork in it America is Done! Enjoy.
 
Old 04-21-2014, 06:39 PM   #11
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I don't see it quite that way, OldBoyUnow. I see it as if the US is saying "Okay, Germany. It's been sixy plus years. It looks like you've got your stuff together and we don't think you'll spawn another Hitler. It's time you take on the full burden of defending your country. We have other fish to fry."
 
Old 04-22-2014, 07:51 AM   #12
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So your saying that these other countries will just fold up their firearms and ammunition businesses and convert to making thimbles and sewing machines? Because without the 80+ Million customers in the USA who are they going to be selling to? Mexico? England? India? Yea right.
You may find it unbelievable, but that is what the treaty says they will do. That is the point. It sounds unbelieveable, and it is entirely possible that they will sign and then dissregard the treaty, but if adhered to, they will not be allowed to sell to US civilians.

It does make a difference to us. But go ahead, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
 
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I'm going to have to disagree with you. As far as I can tell, the ATT will have little to no effect on my ability to keep and bear arms or buy ammo. There's a lot of misinformation on the subject, and most of it preys on fears that this administration wants our guns (and then wants your $$$ to "fight for your rights"). I'm not buying it. I don't live in fear of our goverment. Checks and balance are a wonderful thing. I love this country!
 
Old 06-11-2014, 04:17 PM   #14
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I'm going to have to disagree with you. As far as I can tell, the ATT will have little to no effect on my ability to keep and bear arms or buy ammo. There's a lot of misinformation on the subject, and most of it preys on fears that this administration wants our guns (and then wants your $$$ to "fight for your rights"). I'm not buying it. I don't live in fear of our goverment. Checks and balance are a wonderful thing. I love this country!
You are correct, it will not impact you ability to purchase guns or ammo. What it will do is designate the US as non-compliant with the treaty because we don't track our guns and ammo to end users, and then prohibit other signees from selling to us. It will not directly legally prevent you from your purchase, it will just prevent imports from other signee nations, thereby drastically reducing supply and increasing cost.
 
Old 06-22-2014, 03:49 PM   #15
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Gradually and silently, the specter of the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) is rising again to threaten the right of Americans to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment.

On March 29, The New American reported on President Obama’s signature on a joint U.S.-EU statement calling for the “entry into force of the Arms Trade Treaty in 2014.” Although it is demonstrably offensive to the Constitution, the president’s participation in the statement went all but unreported.

Now, another “major step forward” toward enforcement of the globalist gun grab is barely registering on the national news radar, even among constitutionalists. Reuters reported on April 2 that “18 countries, including five of the world's top 10 arms exporters, delivered proof of its ratification to the United Nations.”
I bolded the inflammatory statements I am responding to: The ATT will do no such thing!

As far as raising the price of ammunition, I can't see into the future, but supply and demand and competition will sort that out. There are quite a few US ammunition manufactures that will continue to produce (Corbon, Black Hills, CCI, Federal, Hornady, Lake City, Remington, to name a few of the larger ones) Since I try to buy American, I can deal with that.

As far as foreign gun imports, I also can't say I'm worried. My Windham AR is US made, as is my Ruger. I guess I couldn't buy another Glock, but you bet I'd be able to find a US made handgun. I believe there are MANY US made arms that will continue to be available should this go through.

Again, you may think I'm being naive, but I don't see this as catastrophic to my second amendment rights. Nor do I think this is a veiled attempt to disarm the globe (as if that will ever happen!). I think this is an attempt to address a real problem that affects the lives of many.

Will it be effective? Only time, political will, and a difficult enforcement will tell.

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