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Old 12-13-2011, 07:02 AM   #1
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When is it "too" many accessories?

This is My AR build Daniel Defense M4 v5 - YouTube

This is probably as far as I am going to go as far as accessories, but I keep seeing people put a large amount of shit on their rifles. When is it too far?
 
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:21 AM   #2
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yours looks pretty clean..

tacticool can definitely get to the retarded-overkill stage.























ha haaaa


 
Old 12-13-2011, 08:45 AM   #3
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With all those lights, might as well just melt the bad guys!
 
Old 12-13-2011, 10:45 AM   #4
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That one isn't bad looking at all. I definitely wouldn't add much more unless you want optics. Are you planning on doing much with the camera though?
 
Old 12-13-2011, 11:40 PM   #5
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I'm in the video production industry, so the camera is mostly for that, But if you flip the camera around, you can examine your stock weld, ect.
 
Old 12-14-2011, 07:17 AM   #6
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When you have to install a tripod with wheels on it just to transport the weapon you've reached the limit. Until then keep on "accessorizing".

BTW, can I get your battery business? With all those lights I could make a good living.
 
Old 12-14-2011, 08:41 AM   #7
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Personal opinion alert! Well for a defense carbine, anything beyond safety and anything that isn't critical for, I can't believe I'm going to use something I heard Nutnfancy say ... POU (philosophy of use) is too much. For me it would be a defense weapon, so my list is as follows:

Light is important. Shooting accurately is important with an "analog backup". Being able to carry it is important. How you solve the above three is up to you based on your expected use. Anything else is a luxury. Doesn't mean it's not useful or desireable, but it's a luxury.

So great iron sights, AND something beyond that, again based on how you intend to use it. Scope. Red dot. Laser. Pick one for your expected use. You have two beyond Iron? Luxury. Again, doesn't mean it's not useful or desireable, but it's a luxury.

Light? There's an old saying: One light is no lights, two lights is one. I actually agree with that one. They don't both need to be mounted at the same time though But I have a second, identical lighting setup for my primary long gun. For my pistol I have a mounted light, and a Surefire handheld with that whole "combat ring" design for secure two hand use.

Lastly sling. Again based on what your expected use is.

So for me, your gun is lacking a light, and a precision sighting system. I wouldn't ever want or need a camera on my gun. But if a camera is important for your POU, and in your case, pro video production is obviously important, it's a must have! Again if you need it, it's not too much! It already has great iron sights. I just can't seem to get comfortable with vertical grips. That's probably just me though, as everybody seems to love them.

Again, personal opinion based on how I'm planning to use my weapons.
 
Old 12-14-2011, 09:42 PM   #8
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This one doesn't belong here! Okay, 2 lights is overkill, but other than that, it's pretty clean!
 
Old 12-15-2011, 07:49 AM   #9
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Putting all those lights on a firearm is great. One question though, what do you do when the batteries go dead? Test them often enough and they surely will be depleted when needed.

That's one thing I hate about the pressure switches. Can too easily be activated when the firearm is stored in a case or laid down somewhere like a vehicle trunk or behind a seat.
 
Old 12-15-2011, 09:51 AM   #10
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This one doesn't belong here! Okay, 2 lights is overkill, but other than that, it's pretty clean!
Meh.. drum magazine/aimpoint/light A / light B /forgrip/Supressor

Is it a zombie gun? What's the point of 90 rnds and 2 flashlights plus a supressor?

You can quietly shoot 90 rounds in the dark while your potential enemy can see where you are but can't hear you?


All that but where's the BUIS?? I guess when the battery dies in the red dot, you could throw that ginormous mag at them?


 
Old 12-15-2011, 01:10 PM   #11
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Meh.. drum magazine/aimpoint/light A / light B /forgrip/Supressor

Is it a zombie gun? What's the point of 90 rnds and 2 flashlights plus a supressor?

You can quietly shoot 90 rounds in the dark while your potential enemy can see where you are but can't hear you?


All that but where's the BUIS?? I guess when the battery dies in the red dot, you could throw that ginormous mag at them?


Umm... I think it's a big boy toy for playtime. The point of 90 rounds is fun... back at ya!

suppressor? Ever shoot a gun inside the house? The supressor will also reduce the blinding flash. It's missing iron sights, and I can't use vert grips. But I still think it doesn't belong with the funny ones it was grouped with.
 
Old 12-16-2011, 04:18 PM   #12
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My philosophy, If you cant use irons, dont use the gun. Anything past irons range I am using my bolt action. Something to think about though, camera is handy in defense situation if you need evidence in court :)
 
Old 12-17-2011, 07:45 AM   #13
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My philosophy, If you cant use irons, dont use the gun. Anything past irons range I am using my bolt action. Something to think about though, camera is handy in defense situation if you need evidence in court :)
And then when that day came, the batteries were dead
 
Old 12-17-2011, 09:15 AM   #14
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Meh, I can shoot my Irons just fine (first year I owned my AR I only used Iron sights) but I really want to change it up with an aimpoint pro.
 
Old 12-17-2011, 05:38 PM   #15
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My philosophy, If you cant use irons, dont use the gun. Anything past irons range I am using my bolt action. Something to think about though, camera is handy in defense situation if you need evidence in court :)
Everyone should be able to use Irons (especially Eotech owners because those fail a lot), but no one should have to. They're great for battling russians streaming through the Fulda Gap on a nice sunny afternoon though.

Tried the camera on the gun thing. Lots of pics of the floor followed by fast shots of the target and more floor. We found if we're following SOP's the footage is actually complete shit. Helmet cams worked much better becuase then the viewer actually sees what you see and the footage leading up to and just after the shooting are immensly important. Much more useful during training as well, cheekweld and shit didn't mean as much to us as making sure each guy was digging their corner and covering their area instead of looking at the shiny shit. I know not everyone wears a helmet so this may not work for most people but think about a different perspective rather than the muzzle.

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Old 12-19-2011, 10:24 AM   #16
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Everyone should be able to use Irons (especially Eotech owners because those fail a lot), but no one should have to. They're great for battling russians streaming through the Fulda Gap on a nice sunny afternoon though.

Tried the camera on the gun thing. Lots of pics of the floor followed by fast shots of the target and more floor. We found if we're following SOP's the footage is actually complete shit. Helmet cams worked much better becuase then the viewer actually sees what you see and the footage leading up to and just after the shooting are immensly important. Much more useful during training as well, cheekweld and shit didn't mean as much to us as making sure each guy was digging their corner and covering their area instead of looking at the shiny shit. I know not everyone wears a helmet so this may not work for most people but think about a different perspective rather than the muzzle.
They have headband mounts and hat mounts, but helmets keep stuff out of your brain
 
Old 12-20-2011, 10:20 AM   #17
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Everyone should be able to use Irons (especially Eotech owners because those fail a lot), but no one should have to. They're great for battling russians streaming through the Fulda Gap on a nice sunny afternoon though.
Eotechs fail a lot? Since when?

I haz Troy Ind backup irons though, and can use them.
 
Old 12-20-2011, 10:56 AM   #18
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Umm... I think it's a big boy toy for playtime. The point of 90 rounds is fun... back at ya!

suppressor? Ever shoot a gun inside the house? The supressor will also reduce the blinding flash. It's missing iron sights, and I can't use vert grips. But I still think it doesn't belong with the funny ones it was grouped with.
so your gonna "big boy toy" shoot 90 rounds inside your house with a supressor?

lol.. that was kinda my point.

Supressor is cool, 90 rnd drums are nearly pointless (great at the gravel pit and an old fridge).. if you get used to shooting them you'll need to pull a wagon to keep all the extras in..

whatev.. it wasn't as funny.. but for me it looks like it was setup by a retard who got his first AR and wanted all the "cool shit" on there.
 
Old 12-20-2011, 01:19 PM   #19
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so your gonna "big boy toy" shoot 90 rounds inside your house with a supressor?

lol.. that was kinda my point.

Supressor is cool, 90 rnd drums are nearly pointless (great at the gravel pit and an old fridge).. if you get used to shooting them you'll need to pull a wagon to keep all the extras in..

whatev.. it wasn't as funny.. but for me it looks like it was setup by a retard who got his first AR and wanted all the "cool shit" on there.
I'm sure we'd both agree it's missing the most important thing... Freakin' Iron Sights!!!!!
 
Old 12-23-2011, 10:46 AM   #20
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I'm kinda of a K.I.S.S guy myself. My 'zombie' AR has en Eotech sight (Troy BUIS) Magpul 2 to 1 point sling, and that's it. Yeah it has little stuff like a Magpul CTR stock and MIAD grip (holds extra batteries for the Eotech) but no tacticool add-ons. I've tried vert grips and angled grips and just don't like the feel of them. I do have a light & mount, but don't keep it on at all times. I'm thinking a QD mount for the light would be a better setup.

I have a handgun with a laser and hand-held flashlight for 'bumps in the night'. If I'm clearing rooms solo with a rifle, I'm doing it wrong and putting myself at risk. I'll hunker down and let the boys in blue do that.

Well, unless it's zombies, in which case the AR and 200 rounds of pre-loaded mags are at the ready and easy enough to get to.
 
Old 12-23-2011, 10:47 AM   #21
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I'm kinda of a K.I.S.S guy myself. My 'zombie' AR has en Eotech sight (Troy BUIS) Magpul 2 to 1 point sling, and that's it. Yeah it has little stuff like a Magpul CTR stock and MIAD grip (holds extra batteries for the Eotech) but no tacticool add-ons. I've tried vert grips and angled grips and just don't like the feel of them. I do have a light & mount, but don't keep it on at all times. I'm thinking a QD mount for the light would be a better setup.

I have a handgun with a laser and hand-held flashlight for 'bumps in the night'. If I'm clearing rooms solo with a rifle, I'm doing it wrong and putting myself at risk. I'll hunker down and let the boys in blue do that.

Well, unless it's zombies, in which case the AR and 200 rounds of pre-loaded mags are at the ready and easy enough to get to.
 
Old 12-23-2011, 11:15 AM   #22
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Eotechs fail a lot? Since when?

I haz Troy Ind backup irons though, and can use them.
Since forever. Whole lot of fail.

I've never had an aimpoint or ACOG fail. I have seen at least a dozen Eoturds go down with my own eyes and had several more we've had to send back for repair that I wasn't on hand for the failure.....not a fan. Some are good, some are crap but if I'm buying another sight, I won't roll the dice.

They are economical though but now that Aimpoint is marketing the PRO and it could be had for under $400...not much use for the Eotech at all.
 
Old 12-23-2011, 12:36 PM   #23
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Since forever. Whole lot of fail.

I've never had an aimpoint or ACOG fail. I have seen at least a dozen Eoturds go down with my own eyes and had several more we've had to send back for repair that I wasn't on hand for the failure.....not a fan. Some are good, some are crap but if I'm buying another sight, I won't roll the dice.

They are economical though but now that Aimpoint is marketing the PRO and it could be had for under $400...not much use for the Eotech at all.
Do you know what models or how they failed? The reason I ask is I have heard of the older double AA battery models having problems, namely recoil eventually knocking the batteries around to the point where they fail to make contact anymore, so no juice.

I have the newer XPS2 with transverse mounted CR123s that supposedly solves that issue. Or is that not it?

That said, I've been considering ditching the Eotech and going with a 1-4x scope like Leupold's Mark AR or Nikon's M223. I think it would just be more fun & versatile for what the overwhelming majority of what I do with it: plinking. Plus with a 4x I can make accurate head shots on zombies at greater distances. Who can argue with that?
 
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Trijicon trg24 used to be pretty economical but I think the price has gone up. Some of the black rifle match crowd are running a millet they like.

Not sure on specific eotech models, some were AA some were 123's. We are hard on gear but still, they shouldn't crap out.

A good optics essential for zombies but, as they appear to be attracted by sound, a suppressor is a must have. Navy seals use cans when they kill zombies.....so you should too.
 
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If all one is doing is "Plinking" why not just get a simple Barska Holographic sight or an Aimshot. Less than $100 and they work just great for shooting watermelons, canteloupe, pineapples, coconuts, or beer cans.
 
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Trijicon trg24 used to be pretty economical but I think the price has gone up. Some of the black rifle match crowd are running a millet they like.

Not sure on specific eotech models, some were AA some were 123's. We are hard on gear but still, they shouldn't crap out.

A good optics essential for zombies but, as they appear to be attracted by sound, a suppressor is a must have. Navy seals use cans when they kill zombies.....so you should too.
That's a bummer. Granted mine won't likely ever see that kind of abuse, but still, it shouldn't crap out, and not for the kind of money they cost! I was thisclose to choosing an Aimpoint Micro-T1 intead, but went with the Eotech cuz I like the reticle, and I THOUGHT they were reliable.

Well now that suppressors all legal like to own/use in WA....

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Old 12-24-2011, 08:50 AM   #27
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If all one is doing is "Plinking" why not just get a simple Barska Holographic sight or an Aimshot. Less than $100 and they work just great for shooting watermelons, canteloupe, pineapples, coconuts, or beer cans.
I say that to be realistic. It is a self-defense/SHTF rifle as well, but the odds of me ever needing it for either are small. So yeah, it's for target practice shooting/plinking, right up until the zombies come or WWIII or whatever.

So I want something I can count on IF ever need be, so no cheap sights. I run a cheap sight on M&P22 that truly is just a plinker.
 
Old 12-24-2011, 09:07 AM   #28
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Originally I had a laser, flashlight, and a bipod on my AR, but I have scaled back lately. An A3 style flattop with a quad rail will always be in my collection for obvious reasons (mission adaptive) and...I change my mind allot!

 
Old 12-25-2011, 07:39 AM   #29
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^^ This is K.I.S.S I like it!
 
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This is K.I.S.S. Thorw a T-1 on this and life would be good.

Pencil barrel so it's very light, under 6lbs. When I give up my commando, this will be on my short list....or a BCM 14.5 pencil mid length. I'm a Colt guy but damn, that's a sweet setup.

Of course that all changes if you guys would get off your asses and call your state reps and demand that bill 2099/2098 get a hearing in January! Then it's SBR's for everyone!
 
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Of course that all changes if you guys would get off your asses and call your state reps and demand that bill 2099/2098 get a hearing in January! Then it's SBR's for everyone!
Now that's a christmas present!!!!!!

ho ho ho
 
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WTF?

The kids are bedazzling their shit now?

This is Way too much in my opinion.. can't wait for that to get snagged on something and the operators shoots self in foot.

 
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Since forever. Whole lot of fail.

I've never had an aimpoint or ACOG fail. I have seen at least a dozen Eoturds go down with my own eyes and had several more we've had to send back for repair that I wasn't on hand for the failure.....not a fan. Some are good, some are crap but if I'm buying another sight, I won't roll the dice.

They are economical though but now that Aimpoint is marketing the PRO and it could be had for under $400...not much use for the Eotech at all.
i used eotechs for much of my time in the army infantry (even bought my own when the army decided to not continue with em), they are excellent, i have also been around long enough to recall the old watch battery M68s that would rotate in their mount, those broke a lot, the M4s we got to replace those were better, but we broke them all.
eotechs are good sights, especially the reticule, i much prefer it to the dot of an aimpoint, but its always shooter preference, i would recommend a person try both before making any such decisions.
i was also an armorer for a while and we all had boxes of broken aimpoints awaiting paperwork to be forged...
 
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Actual lol @Bedazzling
 
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I agree that iron sights are a must but a lot of older guys (like me) do better with a red-dot sight because of the way that our eyes have changed as we age. I'm old enough that back in the day we called it an XM177 instead of a CAR15 or M4...

My rig is pretty KISS- LMT2000 Defender with a Surefire light, Aimpoint, iron sights, Magpul short vert. fore grip (because I like them, not for 'fashion') and single-point sling.

I've considered adding a laser purely for intimidation but the likelihood that it would ever really be useful is pretty low so I've restrained myself.
 
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I agree that iron sights are a must but a lot of older guys (like me) do better with a red-dot sight because of the way that our eyes have changed as we age. I'm old enough that back in the day we called it an XM177 instead of a CAR15 or M4...

My rig is pretty KISS- LMT2000 Defender with a Surefire light, Aimpoint, iron sights, Magpul short vert. fore grip (because I like them, not for 'fashion') and single-point sling.

I've considered adding a laser purely for intimidation but the likelihood that it would ever really be useful is pretty low so I've restrained myself.
ha ha.. the laser comment made me laugh.

My main gun is setup very similar. I pulled the vert grip off.... I have another one.. but I kind of like shooting it w/out a grip.

Aimpoint/Irons/Singlepoint sling/BUIS all similar.

Have tried a couple light mounts, and lights.. still looking for my perfect match.
 
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Look at you guys, getting all fancy and stuff!
 
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Look at you guys, getting all fancy and stuff!
your mom is fancy..
 
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your mom is fancy..
Now, now... don't bring mom's into it! Though I have to admit I was impressed...
 
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