.223 swager, anyone have one?

WarriorDriver · 03-22-2009, 05:20 PM

I have a large bag full of crimped military brass Id like to make reloadable, anyone have a swager and want to make some beer or beer money? :)

Mic · 03-22-2009, 06:40 PM

I'm looking at ordering the Dillon Swager. I may order it tomorrow depending on how well this lyman setup I bought for my case trimmer works. Turns it into a reamer for them. If it seems like I can do them well enough without having to go back over them with a uniformer, then I will use it. If it still takes to long, I'm going to get the swager.

Mic · 03-23-2009, 05:58 PM

The Lyman reamer sucks. It takes me longer to do it than I would like. There is no real good way of holding onto the case.

I'll probably order the swager tonight

WarriorDriver · 03-23-2009, 06:09 PM

Ok, let me know how you like it!

Mic · 03-23-2009, 07:40 PM

Will do. I'd question if it is worth getting one, but then, I realize I have 700 more rounds of this crap to ream. I've already done 300 rounds of my 1000 rounds by hand. I did 5 rounds using this Lyman, and realized it was taking me longer than doing it by hand, just because it does not hold the case well, and it is hard to get your hands in there to hold the case and keep it from turning...

But regardless, its ordered. Hopefully it is in stock and they ship tomorrow. They are in AZ, and everything I've had shipped out of scottsdale/phoenix/gilbert area has only taken 2 days to get here.

Mic · 03-24-2009, 02:48 PM

Next time there is a shoot up north or if you make your way down this direction, I can bring this along or you can stop by, whatever. From the looks of it, and from what I have read, it is a quick and painless operation of using it. Stick it in, push the lever, pull the lever, out it goes. If you get in rhythm you could probably do a thousand rounds or so in a couple hours. Not sure how much you have that is crimped.

WarriorDriver · 03-24-2009, 03:10 PM

I have a large ziplock freezer bag Ive been filling up, with alot from this past weekend too.. its been my rainy day brass collection as Ive been using my normal non military stuff to reload so far, and I have a couple bags of that. But it would be nice to get this stuff reloadable. :) Thanks

migxdm · 03-24-2009, 10:01 PM

im thinking about doing .223 soon i may need to borrow that bad boy ;)

Mic · 03-24-2009, 10:32 PM

Jesus at this rate, I better slap a wig on it, and charge by the hour

WarriorDriver · 03-25-2009, 05:58 AM

swager ho!

migxdm · 03-27-2009, 10:39 PM

let me borrow your 223 dies too! ;)

Mic · 03-28-2009, 06:23 PM

Damn, that was quick. Showed up today!

Talk about a HUGE difference in time. What used to take me about 30 seconds to a minute to do 1 case by hand, now takes me about 3 seconds. Grab, put in, pull the lever, put back, and repeat. Soooooo Much nicer.

Mic · 03-28-2009, 07:20 PM

Here's a picture of the Swaged case.

It's a very large picture, so I am including it as a link, so it doesn't fuck up the forum view of this page.

http://mic.phrozen-phaze.com/Misc/stuff/swaged-case.jpg

Left to Right: Swaged PMC Case (Formally Crimped), A Crimped PMC Case, and a brand new Winchester Case (to give a comparison to the newly swaged case)

I fucking love this thing!

WarriorDriver · 03-29-2009, 03:53 PM

awesome

migxdm · 03-29-2009, 11:03 PM

show me a non swaged pic

Mic · 03-30-2009, 04:59 AM

The link above has it. A Swaged Case, next to a crimped case, next to a piece of new brass.

Swaging is used to remove the crimp

Jakey poo · 03-30-2009, 09:07 AM

I know next to nothing about reloading so correct me if I'm wrong, but it's the crimp that makes it non-reloadable?

Mic · 03-30-2009, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakey poo

I know next to nothing about reloading so correct me if I'm wrong, but it's the crimp that makes it non-reloadable?

Correct, without removing the crimp, you cannot put a new primer in.

Coug91 · 03-30-2009, 01:24 PM

You can seat a new primer, just that it may not seat properly... crumpled. That's a technical term: crumpled.

Metonymy · 03-30-2009, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coug91

You can seat a new primer, just that it may not seat properly... crumpled. That's a technical term: crumpled.

I tell you what... I'll give you a crimped case and a fresh primer and watch you attempt to get it seated, even if "crimped".

Why won't it work?

What happens when a primer gets compressed? Oh yeah... it goes "poof".

Mic · 03-30-2009, 02:52 PM

uh, yah tried it out when I first started reloading, cause I didn't know PMC was crimped... I can honestly say, it doesn't work really well, it's like trying to stick your dick in a life saver... Somethings gotta give.

Coug91 · 03-30-2009, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metonymy

I tell you what... I'll give you a crimped case and a fresh primer and watch you attempt to get it seated, even if "crimped".

Why won't it work?

What happens when a primer gets compressed? Oh yeah... it goes "poof".

No shit? Really? I'd a never guessed...

Kolat · 03-30-2009, 08:19 PM

use a rubber mallet to seat the primer next time :-p

T

Metonymy · 03-31-2009, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coug91

No shit? Really? I'd a never guessed...

Then why would you say something as silly as this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coug91

You can seat a new primer, just that it may not seat properly... crumpled.

Coug91 · 03-31-2009, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metonymy

Then why would you say something as silly as this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coug91

You can seat a new primer, just that it may not seat properly... crumpled. That's a technical term: crumpled.

Because while you CAN do it, it just won't work. Kinda like pissing uphill - you can do it, but your feet will get wet.

We're saying the same thing, but with different nuances.

migxdm · 04-01-2009, 03:17 PM

i just bought 1000 brass in .223 so let me borrow it ;)

WarriorDriver · 04-01-2009, 03:24 PM

bring it up, Ill buy the beer

Mic · 04-01-2009, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by migxdm

i just bought 1000 brass in .223 so let me borrow it ;)

You don't need it if it is new brass. Only for Military Crimped brass like Lake City, and PMC once fired brass.

Mic · 04-01-2009, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarriorDriver

bring it up, Ill buy the beer

Where the hell is Ltown?

migxdm · 04-01-2009, 04:49 PM

yeah looks like im getting lake city brass. we should make a library where we can check out other peoples equipment. I just bought dies today too for 223 so im hesitant to spend more money on the swager after the sticker shock of the dies and brass

migxdm · 04-01-2009, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mic

Where the hell is Ltown?

prolly lynnhood ;)

Mic · 04-01-2009, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by migxdm

yeah looks like im getting lake city brass. we should make a library where we can check out other peoples equipment. I just bought dies today too for 223 so im hesitant to spend more money on the swager after the sticker shock of the dies and brass

What dies did you buy?

WarriorDriver · 04-01-2009, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mic

Where the hell is Ltown?

Quote:

Originally Posted by migxdm

prolly lynnhood ;)

Lynden, North of Bellingham! take a right at BFE!

Quote:

Originally Posted by migxdm

yeah looks like im getting lake city brass. we should make a library where we can check out other peoples equipment. I just bought dies today too for 223 so im hesitant to spend more money on the swager after the sticker shock of the dies and brass

Sticker shock?

migxdm · 04-01-2009, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mic

What dies did you buy?

i bought the dillon carbides for 130 something
then brass off gunbroker for 170 bucks :P
oh and a roller handle for the press
a new tool head and powder die
and the thing that goes in my shell feeder for small rifle shells

Coug91 · 04-01-2009, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by migxdm

i bought the dillon carbides for 130 something
then brass off gunbroker for 170 bucks :P
oh and a roller handle for the press
a new tool head and powder die
and the thing that goes in my shell feeder for small rifle shells

Why? They still need lube.

WarriorDriver · 04-01-2009, 09:25 PM

expensive dies, my lee's were like $30?

Mic · 04-01-2009, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coug91

Why? They still need lube.

Yah, when I first started doing research on dies and crap, I found out that you want carbide dies for pistol because you don't have to lube, and thought "Wonder if they make for rifle" and Dillon did.

Found out you still have to lube, and couldn't figure out why I would want to spend 6x the cost, especially when you read about people still using the same Lee dies from the 1980's...

Not dogging on Dillon at all, cause the Swager is awesome! But the carbide rifle dies are not justified IMHO.

migxdm · 04-01-2009, 10:58 PM

shit i dunno any better! thanks for telling me so late! ;)

Mic · 04-02-2009, 05:09 AM

Like they say, Live and learn!

Coug91 · 04-02-2009, 09:23 AM

If you bought them direct from Dillon and haven't used them yet, give Dillon a call and see if they will let you return them and get a set of standard (redding/rcbs) dies. If you're reloading for an AR, you will also want a Lee factory crimp die. It's the cat's meow.

03-22-2009, 05:20 PM	#1
WarriorDriver Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ltown, WA Posts: 213	.223 swager, anyone have one? I have a large bag full of crimped military brass Id like to make reloadable, anyone have a swager and want to make some beer or beer money? :)

03-30-2009, 01:24 PM	#19
Coug91 Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Spokane Posts: 223	You can seat a new primer, just that it may not seat properly... crumpled. That's a technical term: crumpled. __________________ Fortuna Favet Fortibus http://community.webshots.com/user/coug91 http://www.uspsa.org Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil - Doug Patton

04-02-2009, 09:23 AM	#40
Coug91 Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Spokane Posts: 223	If you bought them direct from Dillon and haven't used them yet, give Dillon a call and see if they will let you return them and get a set of standard (redding/rcbs) dies. If you're reloading for an AR, you will also want a Lee factory crimp die. It's the cat's meow. __________________ Fortuna Favet Fortibus http://community.webshots.com/user/coug91 http://www.uspsa.org Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil - Doug Patton

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03-22-2009, 06:40 PM	#2
Mic Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wa Posts: 161	I'm looking at ordering the Dillon Swager. I may order it tomorrow depending on how well this lyman setup I bought for my case trimmer works. Turns it into a reamer for them. If it seems like I can do them well enough without having to go back over them with a uniformer, then I will use it. If it still takes to long, I'm going to get the swager.

03-23-2009, 05:58 PM	#3
Mic Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wa Posts: 161	The Lyman reamer sucks. It takes me longer to do it than I would like. There is no real good way of holding onto the case. I'll probably order the swager tonight

03-23-2009, 06:09 PM	#4
WarriorDriver Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ltown, WA Posts: 213	Ok, let me know how you like it!

03-23-2009, 07:40 PM	#5
Mic Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wa Posts: 161	Will do. I'd question if it is worth getting one, but then, I realize I have 700 more rounds of this crap to ream. I've already done 300 rounds of my 1000 rounds by hand. I did 5 rounds using this Lyman, and realized it was taking me longer than doing it by hand, just because it does not hold the case well, and it is hard to get your hands in there to hold the case and keep it from turning... But regardless, its ordered. Hopefully it is in stock and they ship tomorrow. They are in AZ, and everything I've had shipped out of scottsdale/phoenix/gilbert area has only taken 2 days to get here.

03-24-2009, 02:48 PM	#6
Mic Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wa Posts: 161	Next time there is a shoot up north or if you make your way down this direction, I can bring this along or you can stop by, whatever. From the looks of it, and from what I have read, it is a quick and painless operation of using it. Stick it in, push the lever, pull the lever, out it goes. If you get in rhythm you could probably do a thousand rounds or so in a couple hours. Not sure how much you have that is crimped.

03-24-2009, 03:10 PM	#7
WarriorDriver Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ltown, WA Posts: 213	I have a large ziplock freezer bag Ive been filling up, with alot from this past weekend too.. its been my rainy day brass collection as Ive been using my normal non military stuff to reload so far, and I have a couple bags of that. But it would be nice to get this stuff reloadable. :) Thanks

03-24-2009, 10:01 PM	#8
migxdm Rifleman Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: redmond,wa Posts: 185	im thinking about doing .223 soon i may need to borrow that bad boy ;)

03-24-2009, 10:32 PM	#9
Mic Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wa Posts: 161	Jesus at this rate, I better slap a wig on it, and charge by the hour

03-25-2009, 05:58 AM	#10
WarriorDriver Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ltown, WA Posts: 213	swager ho!

03-27-2009, 10:39 PM	#11
migxdm Rifleman Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: redmond,wa Posts: 185	let me borrow your 223 dies too! ;)

03-28-2009, 06:23 PM	#12
Mic Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wa Posts: 161	Damn, that was quick. Showed up today! Talk about a HUGE difference in time. What used to take me about 30 seconds to a minute to do 1 case by hand, now takes me about 3 seconds. Grab, put in, pull the lever, put back, and repeat. Soooooo Much nicer.

03-28-2009, 07:20 PM	#13
Mic Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wa Posts: 161	Here's a picture of the Swaged case. It's a very large picture, so I am including it as a link, so it doesn't fuck up the forum view of this page. http://mic.phrozen-phaze.com/Misc/stuff/swaged-case.jpg Left to Right: Swaged PMC Case (Formally Crimped), A Crimped PMC Case, and a brand new Winchester Case (to give a comparison to the newly swaged case) I fucking love this thing!

03-29-2009, 03:53 PM	#14
WarriorDriver Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ltown, WA Posts: 213	awesome

03-29-2009, 11:03 PM	#15
migxdm Rifleman Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: redmond,wa Posts: 185	show me a non swaged pic

03-30-2009, 04:59 AM	#16
Mic Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wa Posts: 161	The link above has it. A Swaged Case, next to a crimped case, next to a piece of new brass. Swaging is used to remove the crimp

03-30-2009, 09:07 AM	#17
Jakey poo Rifleman Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Al Asad, Iraq Posts: 114	I know next to nothing about reloading so correct me if I'm wrong, but it's the crimp that makes it non-reloadable?

03-30-2009, 02:52 PM	#21
Mic Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wa Posts: 161	uh, yah tried it out when I first started reloading, cause I didn't know PMC was crimped... I can honestly say, it doesn't work really well, it's like trying to stick your dick in a life saver... Somethings gotta give.

03-30-2009, 08:19 PM	#23
Kolat Marksman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Spokane Posts: 317	use a rubber mallet to seat the primer next time :-p T

04-01-2009, 03:17 PM	#26
migxdm Rifleman Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: redmond,wa Posts: 185	i just bought 1000 brass in .223 so let me borrow it ;)

04-01-2009, 03:24 PM	#27
WarriorDriver Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ltown, WA Posts: 213	bring it up, Ill buy the beer

04-01-2009, 04:49 PM	#30
migxdm Rifleman Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: redmond,wa Posts: 185	yeah looks like im getting lake city brass. we should make a library where we can check out other peoples equipment. I just bought dies today too for 223 so im hesitant to spend more money on the swager after the sticker shock of the dies and brass

04-01-2009, 09:25 PM	#36
WarriorDriver Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ltown, WA Posts: 213	expensive dies, my lee's were like $30?

04-01-2009, 10:58 PM	#38
migxdm Rifleman Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: redmond,wa Posts: 185	shit i dunno any better! thanks for telling me so late! ;)

04-02-2009, 05:09 AM	#39
Mic Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wa Posts: 161	Like they say, Live and learn!