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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Ltown, WA Posts: 237 | .223 swager, anyone have one?
I have a large bag full of crimped military brass Id like to make reloadable, anyone have a swager and want to make some beer or beer money? :)
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Wa Posts: 165 |
I'm looking at ordering the Dillon Swager. I may order it tomorrow depending on how well this lyman setup I bought for my case trimmer works. Turns it into a reamer for them. If it seems like I can do them well enough without having to go back over them with a uniformer, then I will use it. If it still takes to long, I'm going to get the swager.
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Wa Posts: 165 |
The Lyman reamer sucks. It takes me longer to do it than I would like. There is no real good way of holding onto the case. I'll probably order the swager tonight |
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Ltown, WA Posts: 237 |
Ok, let me know how you like it!
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Wa Posts: 165 |
Will do. I'd question if it is worth getting one, but then, I realize I have 700 more rounds of this crap to ream. I've already done 300 rounds of my 1000 rounds by hand. I did 5 rounds using this Lyman, and realized it was taking me longer than doing it by hand, just because it does not hold the case well, and it is hard to get your hands in there to hold the case and keep it from turning... But regardless, its ordered. Hopefully it is in stock and they ship tomorrow. They are in AZ, and everything I've had shipped out of scottsdale/phoenix/gilbert area has only taken 2 days to get here. |
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Wa Posts: 165 |
Next time there is a shoot up north or if you make your way down this direction, I can bring this along or you can stop by, whatever. From the looks of it, and from what I have read, it is a quick and painless operation of using it. Stick it in, push the lever, pull the lever, out it goes. If you get in rhythm you could probably do a thousand rounds or so in a couple hours. Not sure how much you have that is crimped.
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Ltown, WA Posts: 237 |
I have a large ziplock freezer bag Ive been filling up, with alot from this past weekend too.. its been my rainy day brass collection as Ive been using my normal non military stuff to reload so far, and I have a couple bags of that. But it would be nice to get this stuff reloadable. :) Thanks
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| Rifleman Joined: Feb 2009 From: redmond,wa Posts: 246 |
im thinking about doing .223 soon i may need to borrow that bad boy ;)
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Wa Posts: 165 |
Jesus at this rate, I better slap a wig on it, and charge by the hour |
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Ltown, WA Posts: 237 |
swager ho!
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| Rifleman Joined: Feb 2009 From: redmond,wa Posts: 246 |
let me borrow your 223 dies too! ;)
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Wa Posts: 165 |
Damn, that was quick. Showed up today! Talk about a HUGE difference in time. What used to take me about 30 seconds to a minute to do 1 case by hand, now takes me about 3 seconds. Grab, put in, pull the lever, put back, and repeat. Soooooo Much nicer. |
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Wa Posts: 165 |
Here's a picture of the Swaged case. It's a very large picture, so I am including it as a link, so it doesn't fuck up the forum view of this page. http://mic.phrozen-phaze.com/Misc/stuff/swaged-case.jpg Left to Right: Swaged PMC Case (Formally Crimped), A Crimped PMC Case, and a brand new Winchester Case (to give a comparison to the newly swaged case) I fucking love this thing! |
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Ltown, WA Posts: 237 |
awesome
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| Rifleman Joined: Feb 2009 From: redmond,wa Posts: 246 |
show me a non swaged pic
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Wa Posts: 165 |
The link above has it. A Swaged Case, next to a crimped case, next to a piece of new brass. Swaging is used to remove the crimp |
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| Rifleman Joined: Feb 2009 From: CVO, OR Posts: 116 |
I know next to nothing about reloading so correct me if I'm wrong, but it's the crimp that makes it non-reloadable?
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Wa Posts: 165 | |
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Spokane Posts: 223 |
You can seat a new primer, just that it may not seat properly... crumpled. That's a technical term: crumpled.
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| Marksman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Washington Posts: 370 | Quote:
Why won't it work? What happens when a primer gets compressed? Oh yeah... it goes "poof". | |
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Wa Posts: 165 |
uh, yah tried it out when I first started reloading, cause I didn't know PMC was crimped... I can honestly say, it doesn't work really well, it's like trying to stick your dick in a life saver... Somethings gotta give.
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Spokane Posts: 223 | |
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| Marksman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Spokane Posts: 371 |
use a rubber mallet to seat the primer next time :-p T |
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| Marksman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Washington Posts: 370 | |
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Spokane Posts: 223 | Quote:
We're saying the same thing, but with different nuances. | |
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| Rifleman Joined: Feb 2009 From: redmond,wa Posts: 246 |
i just bought 1000 brass in .223 so let me borrow it ;)
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Ltown, WA Posts: 237 |
bring it up, Ill buy the beer
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Wa Posts: 165 | |
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Wa Posts: 165 | |
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| Rifleman Joined: Feb 2009 From: redmond,wa Posts: 246 |
yeah looks like im getting lake city brass. we should make a library where we can check out other peoples equipment. I just bought dies today too for 223 so im hesitant to spend more money on the swager after the sticker shock of the dies and brass
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| Rifleman Joined: Feb 2009 From: redmond,wa Posts: 246 | |
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Wa Posts: 165 | What dies did you buy?
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Ltown, WA Posts: 237 | Lynden, North of Bellingham! take a right at BFE! Sticker shock? |
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| Rifleman Joined: Feb 2009 From: redmond,wa Posts: 246 | i bought the dillon carbides for 130 something then brass off gunbroker for 170 bucks :P oh and a roller handle for the press a new tool head and powder die and the thing that goes in my shell feeder for small rifle shells Last edited by migxdm; 04-01-2009 at 05:13 PM. |
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Spokane Posts: 223 | |
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Ltown, WA Posts: 237 |
expensive dies, my lee's were like $30?
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Wa Posts: 165 | Yah, when I first started doing research on dies and crap, I found out that you want carbide dies for pistol because you don't have to lube, and thought "Wonder if they make for rifle" and Dillon did. Found out you still have to lube, and couldn't figure out why I would want to spend 6x the cost, especially when you read about people still using the same Lee dies from the 1980's... Not dogging on Dillon at all, cause the Swager is awesome! But the carbide rifle dies are not justified IMHO. |
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| Rifleman Joined: Feb 2009 From: redmond,wa Posts: 246 |
shit i dunno any better! thanks for telling me so late! ;)
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Wa Posts: 165 |
Like they say, Live and learn!
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| Rifleman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Spokane Posts: 223 |
If you bought them direct from Dillon and haven't used them yet, give Dillon a call and see if they will let you return them and get a set of standard (redding/rcbs) dies. If you're reloading for an AR, you will also want a Lee factory crimp die. It's the cat's meow.
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