.223 RELOADS not going into battery, then jamming

migxdm · 07-13-2009, 08:40 AM

I have made 1000 .223's and every now and then i am seeing a problem where a bullet that looks ok, wont go into battery, and then that thing is just jammed in there. and its a bitch to get out.

any ideas? i thought it might be not enough crimp so i put a little more on but that doesnt seem to solve the issue.

Kolat · 07-13-2009, 02:28 PM

You neck sizing or full length?

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GixxerPete · 07-14-2009, 07:55 AM

FWIW, this seems to happen more in my AR than Mig's. Mine is a new RRA with the Wylde chamber. Mig's is a standard 5.56 chamber with a some miles on it. Not sure if that matters here, but thought I'd throw it out there. I should also say I have not had this problem with factory ammo.

migxdm · 07-14-2009, 08:58 PM

i do full length with dillon carbide dies

Kolat · 07-15-2009, 09:31 AM

Hmm bumping the shoulder back? Have you checked the length of the brass on one that jammed?

GixxerPete · 07-15-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kolat

Hmm bumping the shoulder back? Have you checked the length of the brass on one that jammed?

Uh well... it started hailing on us at Stampede Pass mid-session... I had left the offending round on the tailgate of the pickup, but in the scurry to pack up in the hail I lost track of it. I'll definitely hang on to the round next time. Or maybe that's the one I threw at my roommate when I got home? (with a single shot "PEW!" of course)

migxdm · 07-15-2009, 01:59 PM

aw well next time ill bring my measuring stick and we will figure it out. of course you prolly shot all the reloads by now so we may be waiting a long time till we find some primers

GixxerPete · 07-15-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by migxdm

aw well next time ill bring my measuring stick and we will figure it out. of course you prolly shot all the reloads by now so we may be waiting a long time till we find some primers

I think I have three 20 round mags with reloads in em, and that's it. Which is ok I spose as I wanna shoot some factory ammo for a bit to make sure it's nothing wonky with my rifle.

SGT D USMC · 11-06-2009, 09:59 PM

I try my best to get honest once fired LC brass, I set up my Sizing die with a case sizing gadge (sometimes called a head space gadge, but not to be confused with a headspace go-no gadge) this has been very important to me. after every 100 rounds I do a quality check on 10 rounds for sizing , overall length, primer depth and powder charge weight. after my second reload I trim the brass length.

this has worked real well but it dosn't produce real several hundred rounds in a row realibility. After 3 to four reloads I will usualy have a case seperation per 100-200 rounds. then I throw away the brass. I find a broken shell extractor to be a very handy item.

migxdm · 12-14-2009, 01:08 PM

I just made a few more rounds yesterday using a my case gauge, which shows them as perfect. then i loaded them up and one after another had 5 jams. I know its a headspace issue. Im gonna crank that mofo down tonight and see what happens

migxdm · 12-15-2009, 08:42 AM

fixed it, turned the die down till it hit the shell plate then another 1/4 turn

hubers454 · 01-25-2010, 08:11 AM

wow sounds very technical, I take a factory round that works and a reload that dosn't work and compare with the micrometer,, most of the time just comparison with the old eyeballs will answer the question. put a good reload and a factory round in your die box for future reference, I put the shell holders in the box to, keep a notebook, mine is 35 years old hehehehe

migxdm · 01-25-2010, 01:34 PM

yeah I just couldnt tell by looking at them side by side. i took some measurements but not enough. anyways good to have you experienced guys showin us rooks how to do it

hubers454 · 01-25-2010, 02:14 PM

wish you were closer I have taught a couple people to reload it is really easy, just start small like 20 rounds, try rubbing some case lube into the cases I have seen dry cases with tumbler residue gumming up the chamber and sticking on the way in. the one problem with carbide dies(I still lube, just not as much)

migxdm · 01-25-2010, 08:13 PM

yeah there was definetly some trial and error but I have reloaded about 3000 223's since christmas with nary a hiccup. I tumble my rounds now to get the lube off and it works great!

07-13-2009, 08:40 AM	#1
migxdm Rifleman Joined: Feb 2009 From: redmond,wa Posts: 246	.223 RELOADS not going into battery, then jamming I have made 1000 .223's and every now and then i am seeing a problem where a bullet that looks ok, wont go into battery, and then that thing is just jammed in there. and its a bitch to get out. any ideas? i thought it might be not enough crimp so i put a little more on but that doesnt seem to solve the issue.

01-25-2010, 08:11 AM	#12
hubers454 Rifleman Joined: Dec 2009 From: Spokane Valley Washington Posts: 101	keep it simple wow sounds very technical, I take a factory round that works and a reload that dosn't work and compare with the micrometer,, most of the time just comparison with the old eyeballs will answer the question. put a good reload and a factory round in your die box for future reference, I put the shell holders in the box to, keep a notebook, mine is 35 years old hehehehe

01-25-2010, 02:14 PM	#14
hubers454 Rifleman Joined: Dec 2009 From: Spokane Valley Washington Posts: 101	wish you were closer I have taught a couple people to reload it is really easy, just start small like 20 rounds, try rubbing some case lube into the cases I have seen dry cases with tumbler residue gumming up the chamber and sticking on the way in. the one problem with carbide dies(I still lube, just not as much) Last edited by hubers454; 01-25-2010 at 02:16 PM.

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07-13-2009, 02:28 PM	#2
Kolat Marksman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Spokane Posts: 371	You neck sizing or full length? T

07-14-2009, 07:55 AM	#3
GixxerPete Sharpshooter Joined: Jan 2009 From: Renton, WA Posts: 519	FWIW, this seems to happen more in my AR than Mig's. Mine is a new RRA with the Wylde chamber. Mig's is a standard 5.56 chamber with a some miles on it. Not sure if that matters here, but thought I'd throw it out there. I should also say I have not had this problem with factory ammo.

07-14-2009, 08:58 PM	#4
migxdm Rifleman Joined: Feb 2009 From: redmond,wa Posts: 246	i do full length with dillon carbide dies

07-15-2009, 09:31 AM	#5
Kolat Marksman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Spokane Posts: 371	Hmm bumping the shoulder back? Have you checked the length of the brass on one that jammed?

07-15-2009, 01:59 PM	#7
migxdm Rifleman Joined: Feb 2009 From: redmond,wa Posts: 246	aw well next time ill bring my measuring stick and we will figure it out. of course you prolly shot all the reloads by now so we may be waiting a long time till we find some primers

11-06-2009, 09:59 PM	#9
SGT D USMC Peashooter Joined: Nov 2009 From: Salem OR Posts: 7	I try my best to get honest once fired LC brass, I set up my Sizing die with a case sizing gadge (sometimes called a head space gadge, but not to be confused with a headspace go-no gadge) this has been very important to me. after every 100 rounds I do a quality check on 10 rounds for sizing , overall length, primer depth and powder charge weight. after my second reload I trim the brass length. this has worked real well but it dosn't produce real several hundred rounds in a row realibility. After 3 to four reloads I will usualy have a case seperation per 100-200 rounds. then I throw away the brass. I find a broken shell extractor to be a very handy item.

12-14-2009, 01:08 PM	#10
migxdm Rifleman Joined: Feb 2009 From: redmond,wa Posts: 246	I just made a few more rounds yesterday using a my case gauge, which shows them as perfect. then i loaded them up and one after another had 5 jams. I know its a headspace issue. Im gonna crank that mofo down tonight and see what happens

12-15-2009, 08:42 AM	#11
migxdm Rifleman Joined: Feb 2009 From: redmond,wa Posts: 246	fixed it, turned the die down till it hit the shell plate then another 1/4 turn

01-25-2010, 01:34 PM	#13
migxdm Rifleman Joined: Feb 2009 From: redmond,wa Posts: 246	yeah I just couldnt tell by looking at them side by side. i took some measurements but not enough. anyways good to have you experienced guys showin us rooks how to do it

01-25-2010, 08:13 PM	#15
migxdm Rifleman Joined: Feb 2009 From: redmond,wa Posts: 246	yeah there was definetly some trial and error but I have reloaded about 3000 223's since christmas with nary a hiccup. I tumble my rounds now to get the lube off and it works great!