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Old 05-04-2013, 08:13 AM   #1
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Berger 70gr VLD in semi auto

Has anyone here loaded Berger 70gr VLD into a magazine fed .223? At 70gr, they're obviously longer than a 55gr, but these VLDs look really long. Bergers website says that with the long ogive, accuracy might suffer if loaded to an OAL required for a magazine fed gun (distance to rifling not being optimal), but my concern is more about compressing the charge. I have the bullet sitting on 24.5gr of H335 at an OAL of 2.26.

Am I going to run into an issue here with the bullet sitting that close to the powder? The Berger is about .96in long, where a Hornady 60gr VMAX is .865in. Looking at my Lyman manual, it looks like the OAL goes from 2.26 to 2.55 once you get into the 80gr bullets, so they do sit further from the powder. But the charges on those long bullets are starting at about 2gr of powder less than your typical 55gr.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I get nervous whenever I try something new. lol..

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Old 05-19-2013, 09:06 AM   #2
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Lot's of views, no replies. I guess that means people are interested, but no one knows the answer? I called Berger and talked to one of their loading gurus. In a nutshell, yes, you can load them to a 2.26 OAL, but my charge is a bit on the high side. Should be more in the range of 20-22gr of H335. Is anyone interested in a range report when I take them out? I also loaded up a bunch of Nosler 77gr Custom Competition HPBTs if anyone is interested?
 
Old 05-19-2013, 09:32 AM   #3
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yes.


interested in report
 
Old 07-29-2013, 08:35 PM   #4
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Berger 70gr VLD

Hi, all load data (hornady,nosler,hogdon,sierra) is set to standard o.a.l but To get all the potential out of the Berger vld's you'll have to set them off the lands, pushing them that for back isn't going to be that much more accurate than shooting factory ammo from my experience.
I shoot bench rest 600yd's with the Berger 70gr VLD, 25.5gn varget, lapua brass, cci br4 primers with an over all length of 2.375 / 15ths of the rifling and get 3.850 inch groups at 600yd.
 
Old 07-30-2013, 06:56 AM   #5
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Are you shooting that out of a semi-auto, or a bolt gun? Damn.. That's a hell of a group. I can consistently get torso hits at 600 with the 50gr VMAX out of a 1/8 20 in bbl, but nothing like that. Then again, i'm doing my shooting through a 3-9x VX1 so i'm just estimating my hold over.

25.5 of Varget..? Got to be a bolt gun.

I never did play around with the Berger bullets, still sitting on my reloading bench. I got such good results with the 77gr Nosler custom comps through my 1/7 16 in bbl, and the 50gr Hornady VMAX with the 1/8 20 in bbl, that I never loaded any quantity of the Bergers.
 
Old 07-30-2013, 05:22 PM   #6
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yes it is a 5.56 MVP 1/9 twist 24" barrel with Bushnell elite 6500 4.5-30x50 the tightest groups i have gotten at 100yds with the 50gr v max is around 1.500 which they were factory ammo but i also love the 60gr v max loaded with IMR 4350 2650fps 27.0gn .312 groups at 100yd and i know the powder isn't for a .223 or there is no data for it but my gun shoots best with compressed loads, it was some powder i just started playing around with and turned out to be the most accurate.

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Old 08-01-2013, 04:06 AM   #7
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I like to load my 9mm to 1.162". I run my powder charge in the middle of the table, I don't have a chrono, and I do it to keep pressure down, and to cut down on recoil and for extra margain of safety. T so I always start with the lowest charge I can find and work up. Never assume that the manual's max load is the same as yours.
 
Old 08-01-2013, 09:05 AM   #8
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I like to load my 9mm to 1.162". I run my powder charge in the middle of the table, I don't have a chrono, and I do it to keep pressure down, and to cut down on recoil and for extra margain of safety. T so I always start with the lowest charge I can find and work up. Never assume that the manual's max load is the same as yours.
What bullet are you using, and what are you shooting that 9mm out of? I load bear creek 135s to 1.50, and that's pushing it for my XDM and Witness Limited. If my OAL drifts much, I end up pulling bullets out of the case uloading them.
 
Old 08-03-2013, 07:54 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by baron View Post
I like to load my 9mm to 1.162". I run my powder charge in the middle of the table, I don't have a chrono, and I do it to keep pressure down, and to cut down on recoil and for extra margain of safety. T so I always start with the lowest charge I can find and work up. Never assume that the manual's max load is the same as yours.
I want to say I read somewhere that having your OAL set too long, and increasing the gap between bullet and powder, causes significant pressure spikes.
 
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