Saiga 12.. anyone have one?

mjn · 10-22-2012, 09:54 AM

I think it'd be a kick in the ass to shoot... and should make an awesome home defense weapon..

Thoughts?

KillermondoDude · 10-22-2012, 12:35 PM

I think a serbu supershorty would be better for home defense

yea having 17 more rounds is nice but if you cant take care of business at home with three rounds of 12gauge your in bigger trouble than you thought

GixxerPete · 10-22-2012, 03:02 PM

Well yeah it would be fun to shoot, but what's the #1 priority for any self/home defense firearm? That it goes 'BANG!' every time. Something the Saiga is not known for. They are showing up in 3 gun competitions, but only after spending $2000-3000 making them run right/reliably. Sorry but I'd take a Benelli M4, Remington 870, Mossberg 500/590 any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Or all three, and still have money left over.

If you need/want more rounds, look at the KelTec KSG, though that is still somewhat unproven as well.

mjn · 10-22-2012, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillermondoDude

I think a serbu supershorty would be better for home defense

yea having 17 more rounds is nice but if you cant take care of business at home with three rounds of 12gauge your in bigger trouble than you thought

Now that does look badass!

Quote:

Originally Posted by GixxerPete

Well yeah it would be fun to shoot, but what's the #1 priority for any self/home defense firearm? That it goes 'BANG!' every time. Something the Saiga is not known for. They are showing up in 3 gun competitions, but only after spending $2000-3000 making them run right/reliably. Sorry but I'd take a Benelli M4, Remington 870, Mossberg 500/590 any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Or all three, and still have money left over.

If you need/want more rounds, look at the KelTec KSG, though that is still somewhat unproven as well.

Thanks Pete.. that is what I was looking for.. I hadn't heard about the poor reliability..
I currently have a Mossy 500 with the short barrel next to my bed (sans plug). Maybe I'll just stick with that..

I'm just tryin to figure out what my next firearm purchase is gonna be.....

PiNk TCP · 10-22-2012, 04:29 PM

I always go with a "Pump", that way you don't have to worry about it being ammo selective.

sunofnun · 10-22-2012, 07:39 PM

I have 3 pumps, and really like shooting shotguns...

I love the AA-12, but at 12k a pop fully auto I doubt I'll ever see one.

I looked into the saiga's but your going to be at $1200 or so to get one that's tit's on..

Sooooooo that lead me to a remington 1100 autoloader.

A REALLY FUCKING BADASS REMINGTON 1100

I figure about $750 for the gun, and another $200-500 to set it all up!!!

PiNk TCP · 10-22-2012, 07:49 PM

Now that my pants feel funny, is that Remington 1100 picky about what it cycles?

That is what keeps me away from autos...I like to buy ammo that's on sale, not what my gun likes

That and the fact I know too little about them.

Brianaintright · 10-23-2012, 05:12 AM

I ran an 11/87 police model for a while. Unless you were shooting full power OO buck or slugs it wouldn't cycle. I'm still waiting for the perfect 12 gauge.

GixxerPete · 10-23-2012, 07:03 AM

What about this Versa Max auto from Remington?

http://www.remington.com/en/products...-tactical.aspx

I don't really know much about it, but saw it reviewed on one of the gun shows recently, and they ran all kinds of ammo through it without a hiccup.

Boz, wouldn't a Benelli M4 be a pretty perfect 12 gauge? It is battle proven, though I can't speak for its dietary habits regarding ammo.

Brianaintright · 10-23-2012, 11:10 AM

I like benelli. It's about the best out there but I'm looking for something along these lines

http://www.tromix.com/images/S178inchLrg3w.jpg

Higher mag capacity, better sights, shorter package. Needs to be legal first and benelli reliable though.

sunofnun · 10-23-2012, 12:38 PM

Speaking of tromix, has anyone her been hands on with a MKA-1919?

I hear they're about to start customizing them as well as the saiga's

standard MKA-1919

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FatFugg · 10-23-2012, 04:50 PM

I don't own a Saiga yet, but it is in my want list. The Gun Rack had one last time I was in there, but it hasn't been converted yet & I'm not sure if I want to undertake that much modification on my own.

They do seem like they would be a ton of fun!

sunofnun · 10-24-2012, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatFugg

I don't own a Saiga yet, but it is in my want list. The Gun Rack had one last time I was in there, but it hasn't been converted yet & I'm not sure if I want to undertake that much modification on my own.

They do seem like they would be a ton of fun!

I agree... I've seen some tromax guns at around the 1000-1200 mark.. seems like fun.

James · 10-25-2012, 06:59 AM

MKA-1919>>MKA-1919 12ga. Semi-Auto Shotgun with Black Stock #MKA-1919

Hauls Ass!>>>Shot Show 2012 RAAC MKA 1919 AR15 Shotgun in 12 gauge. - YouTube

More Fun!>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=jDMnEH1stBA

Tech>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...pXtOlt68U&NR=1

Customized Akdal MKA1919 12 GA Shotgun >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNm4H...ture=fvwp&NR=1

I want larger Mag. Cap. MORE shells!

sunofnun · 10-25-2012, 07:09 AM

like that vid from the shot show..

PiNk TCP · 10-27-2012, 07:19 AM

Being a Beretta Guy and a happy Px4 owner, this caught my attention. I'm thinking this or a Benelli M4?

Beretta TX4 Storm 12 Ga

BLdtylry · 11-05-2012, 10:30 AM

I'm running a Tromix Built Saiga 12. It runs great. Once Tony Rumore starts building/customizing MKA1919's; he's only making parts right now.

FatFugg · 11-05-2012, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLdtylry

I'm running a Tromix Built Saiga 12. It runs great. Once Tony Rumore starts building/customizing MKA1919's; he's only making parts right now.

That Tromix is fuckin sweet!

sunofnun · 11-06-2012, 10:00 AM

agreed, jealous, and want to shoot it!!!!!!!!!!!

sunofnun · 01-16-2013, 09:31 PM

hey nixter how is you saiga setup? is it Stock?

jbowls · 01-17-2013, 07:40 AM

I have owned a saiga 12 stock platform I didn't even get an auto adjusting gas plug. And it ran perfect I never jammed even when belt loop bump firing. It just spit 20 rounds out like an old chew. Made for slugs but shot the heavyrr bird shot perfect.(my friend got the auto plug for his it didn't cycle perfect without it shooting bird shot like mine but that's 50-80 bucks) Low low recoil I shot one In Each hand 20 rounds out of each no problem(do t really recommend it but it was fun non the less). But I o not have it still it wasn't a to die for gun for me but makes any other shotgun feal inferior in my own opinion. I feel there's less knock on ass power from the auto feed system robbing it them say a over under or pump

jbowls · 01-17-2013, 07:41 AM

Saiga also allows more variety of shell length that will cycle properly.

sunofnun · 01-17-2013, 08:33 AM

nice.. I've never shot one, but I'd sure like to!!

I picked up a 1100 tactical. It will be set up "properly" in the next few months. Stay tuned.

It looks like this today:

richardlpalmer · 01-17-2013, 01:09 PM

Awesome thread!

I'd been eyeing a Saiga and have it on my list (as well as a couple others in this thread). What's interesting is I've heard from a couple people that they weren't reliable -- but neither of them had owned one or shot one. But from people that actually own/shoot them, I hear different reports. Fascinating...

Josh, I'm really looking forward to seeing what you do to that 1100. You might inspire me to change the direction I've been looking. Sort of wish I didn't sell that Binelli now that I think of it...

FatFugg · 01-17-2013, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nixter

I own a Saiga thats been shot 5 times. It came with a 20 rnd mag. It's been fired 5 times. The kid that bought it, said it kicked to much for him. Ummmm....it
is a 12 guage.
Anyway, it's not my forte and am looking to either sell it or trade it. I want an AR platform.

Interrested? nickboyd51@hotmail.com

Has this been converted or is it in "sporterized" platform?

I'm in kennewick & interested!

Bgdawgrr · 01-19-2013, 07:43 PM

I have one. Eats everything fine in 5, 10, and 20 rd drums.
As reliable as an AK.

nwcid · 01-19-2013, 08:06 PM

Yes the Tromix is awesome.

These are super reliable. One key to remember is that you should always use 1 1/8 oz load or heavier. I shoot cheep field loads all the time with no problem. Now if you drop to a 1 oz field load I have lots of problems which is usually caused by short stroking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunofnun

I agree... I've seen some tromax guns at around the 1000-1200 mark.. seems like fun.

If you have seen on for that price BUY BUY BUY. Tromix is getting $1000 just for the basic conversion (you supply the gun) and is 2 years out on orders, http://www.tromix.com/

10-22-2012, 12:35 PM	#2
KillermondoDude Marksman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Washington on the wet side Posts: 342	I think a serbu supershorty would be better for home defense yea having 17 more rounds is nice but if you cant take care of business at home with three rounds of 12gauge your in bigger trouble than you thought Last edited by KillermondoDude; 10-22-2012 at 12:44 PM.

10-25-2012, 06:59 AM	#14
James Sharpshooter Joined: Jan 2010 From: Pacific NW Posts: 626	MKA-1919>>MKA-1919 12ga. Semi-Auto Shotgun with Black Stock #MKA-1919 Hauls Ass!>>>Shot Show 2012 RAAC MKA 1919 AR15 Shotgun in 12 gauge. - YouTube More Fun!>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=jDMnEH1stBA Tech>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...pXtOlt68U&NR=1 Customized Akdal MKA1919 12 GA Shotgun >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNm4H...ture=fvwp&NR=1 I want larger Mag. Cap. MORE shells! Last edited by James; 10-25-2012 at 07:09 AM.

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10-22-2012, 09:54 AM	#1
mjn Marksman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Tri-Cities, Wa Posts: 350	Saiga 12.. anyone have one? I think it'd be a kick in the ass to shoot... and should make an awesome home defense weapon.. Thoughts?

10-22-2012, 03:02 PM	#3
GixxerPete Sharpshooter Joined: Jan 2009 From: Renton, WA Posts: 772	Well yeah it would be fun to shoot, but what's the #1 priority for any self/home defense firearm? That it goes 'BANG!' every time. Something the Saiga is not known for. They are showing up in 3 gun competitions, but only after spending $2000-3000 making them run right/reliably. Sorry but I'd take a Benelli M4, Remington 870, Mossberg 500/590 any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Or all three, and still have money left over. If you need/want more rounds, look at the KelTec KSG, though that is still somewhat unproven as well.

10-22-2012, 04:29 PM	#5
PiNk TCP Rifleman Joined: Feb 2011 From: Seattle, Wa Posts: 217	I always go with a "Pump", that way you don't have to worry about it being ammo selective.

10-22-2012, 07:39 PM	#6
sunofnun Moderator Joined: Jan 2009 From: s. greenlake bitch Posts: 1,273	I have 3 pumps, and really like shooting shotguns... I love the AA-12, but at 12k a pop fully auto I doubt I'll ever see one. I looked into the saiga's but your going to be at $1200 or so to get one that's tit's on.. Sooooooo that lead me to a remington 1100 autoloader. A REALLY FUCKING BADASS REMINGTON 1100 I figure about $750 for the gun, and another $200-500 to set it all up!!!

10-22-2012, 07:49 PM	#7
PiNk TCP Rifleman Joined: Feb 2011 From: Seattle, Wa Posts: 217	Now that my pants feel funny, is that Remington 1100 picky about what it cycles? That is what keeps me away from autos...I like to buy ammo that's on sale, not what my gun likes That and the fact I know too little about them.

10-23-2012, 05:12 AM	#8
Brianaintright Marksman Joined: Nov 2009 From: WA Posts: 392	I ran an 11/87 police model for a while. Unless you were shooting full power OO buck or slugs it wouldn't cycle. I'm still waiting for the perfect 12 gauge.

10-23-2012, 07:03 AM	#9
GixxerPete Sharpshooter Joined: Jan 2009 From: Renton, WA Posts: 772	What about this Versa Max auto from Remington? http://www.remington.com/en/products...-tactical.aspx I don't really know much about it, but saw it reviewed on one of the gun shows recently, and they ran all kinds of ammo through it without a hiccup. Boz, wouldn't a Benelli M4 be a pretty perfect 12 gauge? It is battle proven, though I can't speak for its dietary habits regarding ammo.

10-23-2012, 11:10 AM	#10
Brianaintright Marksman Joined: Nov 2009 From: WA Posts: 392	I like benelli. It's about the best out there but I'm looking for something along these lines http://www.tromix.com/images/S178inchLrg3w.jpg Higher mag capacity, better sights, shorter package. Needs to be legal first and benelli reliable though.

10-23-2012, 12:38 PM	#11
sunofnun Moderator Joined: Jan 2009 From: s. greenlake bitch Posts: 1,273	Speaking of tromix, has anyone her been hands on with a MKA-1919? I hear they're about to start customizing them as well as the saiga's standard MKA-1919 Modded:

10-23-2012, 04:50 PM	#12
FatFugg Sharpshooter Joined: Jan 2009 From: Dri-Shities Posts: 680	I don't own a Saiga yet, but it is in my want list. The Gun Rack had one last time I was in there, but it hasn't been converted yet & I'm not sure if I want to undertake that much modification on my own. They do seem like they would be a ton of fun!

10-25-2012, 07:09 AM	#15
sunofnun Moderator Joined: Jan 2009 From: s. greenlake bitch Posts: 1,273	like that vid from the shot show..

10-27-2012, 07:19 AM	#16
PiNk TCP Rifleman Joined: Feb 2011 From: Seattle, Wa Posts: 217	Being a Beretta Guy and a happy Px4 owner, this caught my attention. I'm thinking this or a Benelli M4? Beretta TX4 Storm 12 Ga

11-05-2012, 10:30 AM	#17
BLdtylry Gunslinger Joined: Sep 2011 From: Snohomish, WA Posts: 36	I'm running a Tromix Built Saiga 12. It runs great. Once Tony Rumore starts building/customizing MKA1919's; he's only making parts right now.

11-06-2012, 10:00 AM	#19
sunofnun Moderator Joined: Jan 2009 From: s. greenlake bitch Posts: 1,273	agreed, jealous, and want to shoot it!!!!!!!!!!!

01-16-2013, 09:31 PM	#20
sunofnun Moderator Joined: Jan 2009 From: s. greenlake bitch Posts: 1,273	hey nixter how is you saiga setup? is it Stock?

01-17-2013, 07:40 AM	#21
jbowls Newbie Joined: Jan 2013 From: Grants Pass. Oregon Posts: 5	I have owned a saiga 12 stock platform I didn't even get an auto adjusting gas plug. And it ran perfect I never jammed even when belt loop bump firing. It just spit 20 rounds out like an old chew. Made for slugs but shot the heavyrr bird shot perfect.(my friend got the auto plug for his it didn't cycle perfect without it shooting bird shot like mine but that's 50-80 bucks) Low low recoil I shot one In Each hand 20 rounds out of each no problem(do t really recommend it but it was fun non the less). But I o not have it still it wasn't a to die for gun for me but makes any other shotgun feal inferior in my own opinion. I feel there's less knock on ass power from the auto feed system robbing it them say a over under or pump

01-17-2013, 07:41 AM	#22
jbowls Newbie Joined: Jan 2013 From: Grants Pass. Oregon Posts: 5	Saiga also allows more variety of shell length that will cycle properly.

01-17-2013, 08:33 AM	#23
sunofnun Moderator Joined: Jan 2009 From: s. greenlake bitch Posts: 1,273	nice.. I've never shot one, but I'd sure like to!! I picked up a 1100 tactical. It will be set up "properly" in the next few months. Stay tuned. It looks like this today:

01-17-2013, 01:09 PM	#24
richardlpalmer Sniper Joined: Jan 2009 From: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,144	Awesome thread! I'd been eyeing a Saiga and have it on my list (as well as a couple others in this thread). What's interesting is I've heard from a couple people that they weren't reliable -- but neither of them had owned one or shot one. But from people that actually own/shoot them, I hear different reports. Fascinating... Josh, I'm really looking forward to seeing what you do to that 1100. You might inspire me to change the direction I've been looking. Sort of wish I didn't sell that Binelli now that I think of it...

01-19-2013, 07:43 PM	#26
Bgdawgrr Newbie Joined: Jan 2013 From: Puget Sound, WA Posts: 2	I have one. Eats everything fine in 5, 10, and 20 rd drums. As reliable as an AK.