Damon

IDPA match at West Coast Armory in Bellevue Tuesday evening 8/16/11.

13216 SE 32nd Street
Bellevue WA 98005
425 641 2877

West Coast Armory IDPA

Registration cut off is at 6pm. Match fee is $15. New shooters welcome. Its lots of fun, come out and try it!!

migxdm

cool ill come give it a try. ill have my black ruger shirt on

GixxerPete

Are these every Tuesday? I can't make this one but might plan for the next...

Damon

Were you there tonight?


Yep, every Tuesday evening!!

Sign up cuts off at 6pm, usually done by 8pm.

No pics or videos from this one. The first stage was blind, you couldn't really see what the shooters were doing. And the 2nd stage I just didn't bother...

migxdm

Yeah man i had my ruger shirt on the name is miguel, whats the website they post scores on? I took 2 vids...

It was definetly a cool experience! I had fun even tho my scoring sucked haha

Damon

I remember seeing you now. lol My scores sucked too, I was way too slow on that 1st stage...

Scores are posted here:

West Coast Armory IDPA Scores

Looks like your raw time on stage one was faster then mine. You should come out next week too!

migxdm

yeah i had a lot of fun and will definitely try to be there next week..... hey so what do all these acronyms mean like ssp and stuff?

sunofnun

Sweet.. next time we need PNW guns "hello my name is" stickers.. lol

I might try to get down there too.

What are people usually shooting?
Is it a mixed bag of calibers/models? Or is there a pretty standard setup?

Damon

Long post... lol

In IDPA you have Divisions that your gun fits into and Classification which is how you as a shooter is ranked after you shoot a Classifier.

The Divisions are:

Stock Service Pistol Division (SSP)
Pretty much all DA only, DA/SA and some striker fired guns like Glocks, M&P's. Some mods like sights, trigger jobs and grip changes are allowed.


Enhanced Service Pistol Division (ESP)
ESP guns are SA only guns. Like a 1911 chambered in 9mm. But IDPA considers the Springfield XD's as SA guns so they have to compete in the ESP division. ESP also allows more mods. Extended safeties and mag release buttons and mag wells are allowed.


Custom Defensive Pistol Division (CDP)
Has to be .45 caliber. Most of the guns in CDP are 1911 style but Hi-Cap 45's are allowed as long as they are only loaded with 8 rounds in the mag.


Enhanced Service Revolver Division (ESR)

A. Be any revolver of 9mm caliber (.355” or larger) or larger
bore diameter utilizing rimmed or rimless cartridges, which
may safely make a power factor of 165,000.
B. Have a barrel length of 4.2” or less (as measured from the
front of the cylinder).
C. Have a maximum unloaded weight of 50 oz.
D. Be loaded to the division capacity of six (6) rounds in the
cylinder. Seven (7) and eight (8) shot revolvers are permitted,
but may only load six (6) rounds.
Revolver may be reloaded via speedloader or full moon clip.


Stock Service Revolver Division (SSR)

A. Any revolver of .38 Caliber (.357” or larger) or larger that
utilizes ammunition with a rimmed case and is not reloaded
with a full moon clip.
B. Barrel length of 4.2” or less (as measured from the front of
the cylinder).
C. Have a maximum unloaded weight of 42 oz.
D. Be loaded to the division capacity of six (6) rounds in the
cylinder. Seven (7) and eight (8) shot revolvers are permitted,
but may only load six (6) rounds.


Classification

There is a standard classifier course of fire that is 90 rounds and three stages. Your score from shooting it determines your classification. The Classifications are Marksman (MM), Sharpshooter (SS), Expert (EX) and Master (MA).

Each classification has a different time for each Division, for example to make Expert in SSP you have to have a Classifier score of 120.00 or better, to make Expert in CDP you score has to be 111.43 or better. The lower the number the better your score.

Damon

We'll get Teasha to make up the name tags...

Its a pretty mixed bag of guns and calibers. There is the usual Glocks and M&P's, I shoot a XD-9, there is a few 1911's and Sigs. One guy shoots a Beretta 92 on a regular basis.

I'll be there next Tuesday night.

hawker

So, what would something like a Kimber Custom II fall into? SSP?

migxdm

I had my xdm9 and they put me in SSP UN. Anyways sounds like me pete newell and maybe josh will be in next week....

Damon

.45 caliber?

If its .45 then it be in CDP. If 9mm (do they make one in 9mm?), it would be in ESP.



Who said your XDM was SSP? It should be in ESP. I had someone ask me that there but it wasn't you, it was a guy I've seen there before but I don't remember his name. By his gear it looked like he shoots more IPSC/USPSA then IDPA.

They run the rules a little loose there sometimes. Everyone is supposed to be wearing something to cover/conceal their gun when they go to the line to shoot. Only a few people were doing that. Some of the guys use holsters and mag carriers that are not "IDPA legal". They use gear that is set up for IPSC/USPSA probably because they shoot more IPSC/USPSA matches then IDPA matches. I don't really care what gear they use. There is nothing to win except bragging rights. The IDPA "matches" at West Coast Armory are more of an IDPA practice then an official "match". So a little bending of the rules doesn't matter that much.

If you go to one of the bigger matches like at Paul Bunyan in Puyallup, or Renton F&G or FAS the rules will be more enforced. Those matches usually have 6-8 stages and using gear that will save you .10 second per stage adds up by the end of the match.

If you guys make it next week, find me and I'll help you out best I can.

hawker

Sweet, sounds like a good time.

GixxerPete

So my striker-fired XDm has to compete against single action 1911s but Glocks and M&Ps don't? That's bullshit. Why is an XDm any different than a Glock or M&P?

So much for my idea of buying the new XDm 5.25 if it has to go up against 1911s I'd just as soon buy a 9mm 1911.

migxdm

the kid Jeremy behind the counter told me to select ssp un

Damon

I agree!!!

It has something to do with the ATF classifying the XD's as single action. Because compared to a Glock or M&P the XD striker is fully cocked, when you pull the trigger it just releases the striker. Where the others are partly cocked and pulling the trigger cocks the striker the rest of the way then releases it. So IDPA considers the XD's as Single Action and puts then in ESP. I think XD's should compete with Glocks and M&P. I don't care if its SSP or ESP but I think they should be in the same Division.


Jeremy should know better...

GixxerPete

Well I understand the explanation but I sure don't agree with it! It ain't a single action! Cuz I sure as shit wouldn't be carrying a 1911 cocked and UN-locked, and that's pretty much what they're saying an XD is. Crock!

So until the IDPA pulls their heads out, I guess the question is, do I bust out my old Glock 19, or just run my XDm in ESP class, or just go with one of my 1911s? I should mention I'm a total noob to competitive shooting, and would be looking at it more as training, not really 'in it to win it' kinda thing.

Damon

Yeah, I don't agree with it either....

The only difference I see between running your G19, XDM or 1911 is 9mm is cheaper to shoot. You might have to reload more often with the 1911 depending on the course of fire.

Bring a minimum of 3 mags, you are allowed to have 2 on your belt and 1 in your gun WHEN you are on the line to fire.

If you shoot a 1911 you might want 4 mags. In CDP you are allowed to have 8 loaded when starting the course of fire. You can use 1 mag to load the chamber, take it out then load a full 8 round mag. If you have 4 mags that still leaves you with 2 full mags on your belt.

GixxerPete

Ok given that info, I'll likely just go with the XDm in ESP. I've got 6 mags for it so good to go there. I take it reloads are ok?

Damon

Reloads are usually fine. Not sure about plain lead bullets, jacketed, fmj are fine.