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Old 10-10-2011, 08:08 PM   #1
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Suppressor

This is something I'm looking at down the road for the AR-15, I'm just wondering from those of you that have them, how hard is the process of getting one? I know over at Wades they said they do everything for you setup a trust yada yada but I have a feeling I would be raped by their pricing, so I'm just curious what steps you had to go through to get it done also curious about mounting. Del-Ton, Inc. AR-15 16" M4 Chrome Lined Barrel Assembly with M4 Handguards and Side Sling Adapter that's the setup I have, I'm just wondering if I would have to cut off the flash suppressor and thread the barrel to get it to fit or if they make adapters for them etc.. Just some info would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:22 PM   #2
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I'm just wondering if I would have to cut off the flash suppressor and thread the barrel to get it to fit or if they make adapters for them etc.. Just some info would be greatly appreciated.
Is the barrel on this upper from the Brady ban era? I know some pre & post ban uppers have pinned flash hiders, but most are threaded. Are you sure your flash hider isn't threaded?

I have nothing to add about the suppressor, just curious about your upper.
 
Old 10-10-2011, 11:23 PM   #3
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I'm having the same want for my Rock river AR right now. I know that it's paperwork and $200 to the ATF. Not sure how long the wait is though. I'm still in the early stages of figuring out exactly what I need to do to get one. The crazy thing is it's legal to own a gun and legal to own a suppressor but to attach the damn thing you'll need to get the paperwork and money to the ATF.
 
Old 10-11-2011, 01:13 PM   #4
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It all comes down to the dealer you select. I used Paine Field Instruments for all of my NFA stuff and Bob is outstanding to deal with, knows his paperwork and will help you through the process. Prices are very reasonable. There is also a shop in Snohomish, Cascade Arsenal, who is stocking a lot more suppressors and one of the guys I work with has used him for 3-4 lately. Nothing but good things to say about them.

I used to buy guns from Wade when he was selling stuff out of his living room and he was awesome to deal with. Some of the guys he employs now are down right rude and know shit about their product lines. Last time I was in there they were trying to sell some 98lb woman a .357 snub nose revolver that was way too much gun for her with lines like "This thing will stop any man in his tracks" and "You'll only need to hit them once".....whatever, I guess a sale is a sale.
 
Old 10-11-2011, 08:17 PM   #5
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Thanks Brian I appreciate the info as always. Mind if I ask what kinda prices you were talking about, at wades they're about 750-900 depending plus the $200 NFA Stamp. Was just curious.
 
Old 10-11-2011, 08:19 PM   #6
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Fugg, here's the upper I have https://www.del-ton.com/ProductDetai...uctCode=DT2000 Since i'm in Germany I can't look at it, but I think it's all one piece from what I remember when I was looking at it, It's at my buddies house so I'll have him check it out for me, suppose worst case they can cut it and thread it and I could get a new flash suppressor.
 
Old 10-11-2011, 08:31 PM   #7
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Fugg, here's the upper I have https://www.del-ton.com/ProductDetai...uctCode=DT2000 Since i'm in Germany I can't look at it, but I think it's all one piece from what I remember when I was looking at it, It's at my buddies house so I'll have him check it out for me, suppose worst case they can cut it and thread it and I could get a new flash suppressor.
Reading the specs, it says threaded muzzle. You should be able to unthread & remove the A2 flash hider & install the sound suppressor or its mount, depending on which way the suppressor you get is mounted, directly to your barrel without having to get any machining done to it.
 
Old 10-11-2011, 08:53 PM   #8
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Definitely depends on the brand. My RRA is 2 years old but they did a pin and weld because the barrel is 14.5" and it required the tactical flash hider to make it 16".
 
Old 10-12-2011, 12:41 PM   #9
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Price depends on brand, model, caliber etc. and the range is wide. Some cheap 5.56 cans may run you $450 but a good can is going to be $700-$1100. I have experience with AAC and Gemtech, having bought some of each and I've worked with the surefire cans and can reccomend them as well. I'm not an authority but I'm sure there's some good quality suppressors out there for less.

Have you shot much with a can? If not, you should do so before you drop a wad of cash. They're cool but they are not as quiet as the movies make them out to be and very few are quiet enough to be shot without earpro. Just wanted to make sure you know what you're getting into.
 
Old 10-12-2011, 02:43 PM   #10
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I've fired an MP5SD and an M4 (actual m4 for those that want to correct me) with a can and I liked it. I've fired a Glock 21 with a can as well and it was pretty cool as well.. So I do have some experience.
 
Old 10-13-2011, 12:18 AM   #11
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You should talk to kolat, He just got his paperwork I think for selling just what your looking for. Not sure which brand he is going to carry, but he has one for a AR and another for a glock.
 
Old 10-13-2011, 07:44 AM   #12
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Some of the guys he employs now are down right rude and know shit about their product lines. Last time I was in there they were trying to sell some 98lb woman a .357 snub nose revolver that was way too much gun for her with lines like "This thing will stop any man in his tracks" and "You'll only need to hit them once".....whatever, I guess a sale is a sale.
You have to understand that there are only two criteria for hiring employees in most Gun Shops.

First is "The best Unemployed Friend available" No qualification really necessary, after all they are a friend and they need a job.

Second is "Someone that will work for the level of pay they offer". This makes the "pool" somewhat limited to either someone who still lives with his parents or is drawing a disability/retirement income. Again, qualification takes a back seat, they're willing to work for the "peanuts" the shop owner offers. Maybe they're doing it so they can get the "employee discount"

I offer this somewhat in jest but I've run across the above so many times in local gun shops I actually wonder from time to time if it isn't true.
 
Old 10-13-2011, 04:46 PM   #13
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I offer this somewhat in jest but I've run across the above so many times in local gun shops I actually wonder from time to time if it isn't true.
I would say this is 100% true with the only other possibility being a family member that may have some sort of a vested interest in the shop, so the might actually put some effort into the stores success!

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Old 10-13-2011, 06:29 PM   #14
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a family member that may have some sort of a vested interest in the shop, so the might actually put some effort into the stores success!
They're only a help if the have the skill, or the wisdom to know they don't if the latter is the case
 
Old 10-19-2011, 09:00 PM   #15
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I've found that the terrain around me makes a big difference in percieved sound when shooting with a can.

Woods is pretty loud, 9mm/.223 are hearing safe but still loud.

Shooting out in the plains it aproaches movie quiet.

Cans also make gas operated guns run faster if they have a happy switch.

 
Old 10-20-2011, 11:56 PM   #16
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I looked at running my AR15 in 223 with a suppressor but why would I want to run supersonic ammo through a suppressor? Sure it quiets it down but its still loud compared subsonic ammo and as far as I am aware there's really know such thing as reliable 223 subsonics.

Why don't you save the hassle of cutting your flash suppressor off and build a 300 Blackout? Just finished mine; it takes 5-seconds to go from 223 to 300 Blackout.
 
Old 03-21-2012, 09:55 AM   #17
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I looked at running my AR15 in 223 with a suppressor but why would I want to run supersonic ammo through a suppressor? Sure it quiets it down but its still loud compared subsonic ammo and as far as I am aware there's really know such thing as reliable 223 subsonics.

Why don't you save the hassle of cutting your flash suppressor off and build a 300 Blackout? Just finished mine; it takes 5-seconds to go from 223 to 300 Blackout.
I'm late to the party, but i'll this statement. Also, bear in mind that some supressors are designed to attach to mil-spec birdcage flash hider. Gemtech comes to mind..
 
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