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Old 03-25-2011, 10:03 AM   #41
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i have seen a few comments that open carry does not give a tactical advantage, and one post even said what would a criminal do if he saw a person with a weapon. well id imagine most would go pick an easier target, but if everyone open carried there would be no easier targets righ? and if there is a visible deterrent than there is no tactical advantage nessesary besides better training than the bad guy. i also see alot of posts say that concealment is preffered because they dont want to be hassled. well, isnt that letting ignorant people dictate to you what you are going to do (i dont know about everyone else here but i think personally that allowing an ignorant person to dictate my actions makes me ignorant too) if everyone who carries suddenly open carried im sure people would find out the laws pretty quickly. if your carrying concealed all the time are you doing anything to educate and further the cause or just avoiding uncomfort? anytime i get hassled about a weapon i calmly explain what our laws are regarding carry and then ask the person " if you are still uncomfortable because you think its dangerous id be more than happy to take you to an appleseed shoot so you can learn what guns are really about and so you understand the safety and marksmanship training i have gone through to be safe and profficient with my guns. and lastly i saw one post saying that open carrying is just showboating. well i vehemently disagree. im sure there are always gonna be some who do think that open carry just makes them cool. i personally do it because i am morally, socially, and politically opposed to my rights being eroded or flat out taken. the only reason we as gun owners have the problems that we already do, is too many years of allowing ourselvs to be convinced that the rights and privacies that weve had taken already are nessesary sacrifices. for the people that dont like to be hassled, didnt you feel hassled going into the sherriffs station to get fingerprinted like a criminal so you could have you "papers"
Amen to that!
 
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Old 03-26-2011, 08:12 AM   #42
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Concealed and going shopping for a trench coat

 
Old 10-26-2011, 04:58 PM   #43
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I personally carry concealed unless not permitted i.e. visiting Oregon. I like being the only person knowing it, usually my wife doesn't even know if I'm carrying or not.

My .02, carrying open is a great way to deter crime. To do that, you need to look like that is your purpose. That means you behave like a cop, patrolling an area and making your presence known. However, if you're trying to protect yourself and/or your family, it can be really inconvenient due to people's perceptions, having the cops called on you, etc. It's one of those rights that I'm glad to have, but unfortunately is one that is time-consuming and potentially dangerous to exercise. No knocks against OCer's, keep up the good work.
 
Old 10-26-2011, 05:06 PM   #44
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i have seen a few comments that open carry does not give a tactical advantage, and one post even said what would a criminal do if he saw a person with a weapon...i also see alot of posts say that concealment is preffered because they dont want to be hassled. well, isnt that letting ignorant people dictate to you what you are going to do (i dont know about everyone else here but i think personally that allowing an ignorant person to dictate my actions makes me ignorant too) if everyone who carries suddenly open carried im sure people would find out the laws pretty quickly...
Unfortunately, ignorant people dictate a lot of our lives. Exhibit #1: The United States House of Representatives House.gov. Also, and this is not unfortunate, private property owners can decide whether they want to let you on their property with your gun, including stores. Knowing the gun climate in the Seattle area, I have a feeling I would be getting kicked out of a lot of places by a lot of ignorant managers and owners.
 
Old 10-26-2011, 06:58 PM   #45
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Responsible citizens should have the right to choose.

Advantages and disadvantages to both.

I think those who do open carry are leading the charge. But I conceal carry because the advantages suit my purpose.

mjn, it all depends on the intent whether they are grand standing or not. For some guys it is, but that is a precarious generalization and one that I think does not describe the majority of responsible individuals who choose to open carry.

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Old 10-27-2011, 01:00 AM   #46
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My drop leg holster was a single-strap, and was pretty worthless if I did anything other than walk and stand. It would get tucked behind my knee when on my bike, and it'd smash my knee cap if I had to hustle with it on.

Snagged one of these two weeks ago.



It's rock solid, and it's so comfortable that I forget I'm even wearing it. I can full out run and it's no issue at all. Been open carrying every time I leave the house and have had no issues whatsoever.
 
Old 10-27-2011, 06:37 AM   #47
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I just carry-period. I normally wear a light vest because I carry more crap than will fit in my pants pockets. When it gets cold I wear a jacket appropriate for the temperature.

I don't pay a lot of attention as to whether my firearm is concealed or open, I just make sure it's there whenever I leave the house. If I get out to buy gas or take a whiz in a Rest Area I may or may not wear my "cover". Depends on temperature.

I just go about my business and in all the years I have carried (since 1964), I have never been approached by a Law Officer or challenged by any "citizens". I guess if one just goes about their business as usual either nobody notices or nobody cares.
 
Old 10-27-2011, 08:11 AM   #48
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My drop leg holster was a single-strap, and was pretty worthless if I did anything other than walk and stand. It would get tucked behind my knee when on my bike, and it'd smash my knee cap if I had to hustle with it on.

Snagged one of these two weeks ago.



It's rock solid, and it's so comfortable that I forget I'm even wearing it. I can full out run and it's no issue at all. Been open carrying every time I leave the house and have had no issues whatsoever.
So you're saying you roll around Renton with a drop rig like that, and people don't freak out?? More power to ya, but I just can't see doing that anywhere around the greater Seattle area. But I do want one of those rigs for out in the woods & whatnot, seems more practical than on the hip?

At least I'll know who you are if I see you at a grocery store in Renton or something, I'll be the one not freaking out.
 
Old 10-27-2011, 04:57 PM   #49
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At least I'll know who you are if I see you at a grocery store in Renton or something, I'll be the one not freaking out.
Haha, yup. Come say hi. I get the sideways glance here and there, but nobody's glared or said a word or anything like that.
 
Old 10-28-2011, 05:17 PM   #50
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i support both.
 
Old 10-28-2011, 06:40 PM   #51
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Our legislative priority for the 2012 state legislative session is to prohibit the unconcealed, open carrying of loaded weapons. It is legal in this state to carry a loaded weapon in full view without a permit, even in government buildings such as the state Capitol – and into legislative hearing rooms during a public hearing. Open carrying of loaded guns was prohibited in Dodge City during the days of the Wild West and is currently prohibited in such gun-friendly states as Texas, Oklahoma and Florida.
http://www.washingtonceasefire.org/advocacy

We all have to keep an eye on this!! I doubt it will get anywhere here in Washington but we all still need to be aware of it.

I support both. I conceal carry 99% of the time. The 1% I OC is when I'm camping in the mountains or going outside my house taking out garbage or getting something from my car.
 
Old 12-22-2012, 12:58 PM   #52
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I support both. In true public I usually conceal carry.

Went on a trip to OR last year on the motorcycles so I had not choice but to open carry if I wanted to carry.
I'm from Springfield, Oregon and OC in the summer and CC in the winter. Also depends on the place like a mall I have to CC.

Fellow motorcycle enthusiast here, have an 08 FLHTCUI and pull a trailer.

Btw, get your non-resident Utah CFP concealed firearm permit and you're legal to CC in Oregon and 31 other states across the nation.

Robert P.
 
Old 12-22-2012, 11:01 PM   #53
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Other than when camping I've never open carried. Honestly I think it's because I have a concern about being hassled. I know I'd have attention on it, that's for sure -- and typically it's just that sort of thing that "pulls in" attention from others. That being said, I'd like to participate in an open carry rally of some sort. It's wise to raise public awareness for things like this...

I "support" people's right to do either -- although I can't recall ever seeing either being on a ballot. So I guess my support is really only in terms of sentiment. :)
 
Old 12-23-2012, 05:46 PM   #54
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Other than when camping I've never open carried. Honestly I think it's because I have a concern about being hassled. I know I'd have attention on it, that's for sure -- and typically it's just that sort of thing that "pulls in" attention from others. That being said, I'd like to participate in an open carry rally of some sort. It's wise to raise public awareness for things like this...

I "support" people's right to do either -- although I can't recall ever seeing either being on a ballot. So I guess my support is really only in terms of sentiment. :)


 
Old 01-01-2013, 07:08 PM   #55
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CC all the time. No one knows, and I like it that way.
 
Old 01-17-2013, 02:44 PM   #56
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As a DT/Firearms instructor with some 20 years behind me....I have never promoted open carry (as a regular course of business). I leave it to my adult clients to decide for themselves, reminding them, being a test case is a rather unpleasant ride. Given the temperature of society and "guns"......one should expect it to be a confrontational exercise,and it will only attract negative attention. Unless you are in a uniformed capacity, I have never seen any advantage to "open carry". There are a myriad of opportunities to do so.....the range, camping...more intimate, gun-friendly places. I have a personal problem with folks carrying open in an average public setting, because of it's inherent negative impact on Pro Gun people. There are clear polar locations on "Guns", but a VAST number of people very close to or directly on the fence as a result of limited knowledge, media input, and the average persons desire to avoid confrontation and be a happy sheep. I have been in a variety of situations where, after seeing me for a period of time, but not knowing what I do for a living, where people were SHOCKED to realize to what extent I am armed as a regular course of my day. Usually, those are confined specific situations where something occurs or a conversation touches on it, and I feel comfortable telling them, every time you have ever seen me,I was armed. As an instructor, citizen,and Father....I feel I have a responsibility to set examples, and I hold myself to a high standard (especially because of all the CPL/Armed professional course I teach), but not any higher than any of my clients are able to achieve. If I see a person in open carry mode, I will avoid them like the plague. If they are peacocking with it, I will dial 911 in a heart beat, so a Sworn in uniform can have a candid conversation with that person. The most simple rational understanding of HOW much the concealed part is not only a tactical advantage, but more importantly, keeps criminals on their toes never knowing who is armed is a very useful tool. I also believe if you cannot retain your firearm with diligent devotion to training, you have no business carrying in that manor. I have seen people in public that my 14 year old daughter could have disarmed. I find that appalling.
 
Old 01-17-2013, 02:45 PM   #57
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FWIW, I see that there are a few of my civilian clients aboard....and it would seem they also mirrored my sentiments....
 
Old 01-17-2013, 03:04 PM   #58
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I carry concealed when I feel a need.

Out hunting or hiking it depends on the firearm I have chosen to carry. And if its going to be used to hunt with. My Ruger Blackhawk (.30 carbine) is carried in a traditional Western style rig when I'm out deer hunting since it is legal for deer. And in the rare instance I might chose to use it instead of my rifle.
 
Old 01-17-2013, 03:53 PM   #59
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As a DT/Firearms instructor with some 20 years behind me....I have never promoted open carry (as a regular course of business). I leave it to my adult clients to decide for themselves, reminding them, being a test case is a rather unpleasant ride. Given the temperature of society and "guns"......one should expect it to be a confrontational exercise,and it will only attract negative attention. Unless you are in a uniformed capacity, I have never seen any advantage to "open carry". There are a myriad of opportunities to do so.....the range, camping...more intimate, gun-friendly places. I have a personal problem with folks carrying open in an average public setting, because of it's inherent negative impact on Pro Gun people. There are clear polar locations on "Guns", but a VAST number of people very close to or directly on the fence as a result of limited knowledge, media input, and the average persons desire to avoid confrontation and be a happy sheep. I have been in a variety of situations where, after seeing me for a period of time, but not knowing what I do for a living, where people were SHOCKED to realize to what extent I am armed as a regular course of my day. Usually, those are confined specific situations where something occurs or a conversation touches on it, and I feel comfortable telling them, every time you have ever seen me,I was armed. As an instructor, citizen,and Father....I feel I have a responsibility to set examples, and I hold myself to a high standard (especially because of all the CPL/Armed professional course I teach), but not any higher than any of my clients are able to achieve. If I see a person in open carry mode, I will avoid them like the plague. If they are peacocking with it, I will dial 911 in a heart beat, so a Sworn in uniform can have a candid conversation with that person. The most simple rational understanding of HOW much the concealed part is not only a tactical advantage, but more importantly, keeps criminals on their toes never knowing who is armed is a very useful tool. I also believe if you cannot retain your firearm with diligent devotion to training, you have no business carrying in that manor. I have seen people in public that my 14 year old daughter could have disarmed. I find that appalling.
I would advise your 14 year old daughter not to go disarming people.

Getting punched in the face or potentially shot is not fun.

I'm not aware of which Washington you must live in, since open carry is legal. are you going to tie up the 911 line for someone who really has an emergency to share because you think someone is strutting their piece?

Open carry rarely causes problems. I was at an event in downtown seattle, an anti-gun rally, 13 people were open carrying as a counter protest. even then no issues. your projecting a scenario that's unlikely at best....
 
Old 01-17-2013, 07:33 PM   #60
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I saw this video a while back and it gave me pause. I know it's specifically demo'ing the limitations of Kydex (in a paddle configuration, specifically). But I think this is one of the fears of the anti-gun crowd -- that a nut could disarm an otherwise good guy, and use his weapon against others.

I don't really care too much about what the anti-gun crowd thinks, but the demonstration in the video did make me consider the extra care needed when choosing an OWB holster. Seems leather would be the material of choice. ;)

 
Old 01-17-2013, 07:58 PM   #61
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I'm from Springfield, Oregon and OC in the summer and CC in the winter. Also depends on the place like a mall I have to CC.

Fellow motorcycle enthusiast here, have an 08 FLHTCUI and pull a trailer.

Btw, get your non-resident Utah CFP concealed firearm permit and you're legal to CC in Oregon and 31 other states across the nation.

Robert P.
You mean to say get your OREGON and NON resident UTAH permits. Since Oregon does not recognize any other states permit to carry.
 
Old 01-17-2013, 08:06 PM   #62
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I have family in OR and AZ -- if I'm correct, getting permits in those 2 states would cover me pretty much everywhere Utah would, right?
 
Old 01-22-2013, 08:48 AM   #63
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I would advise your 14 year old daughter not to go disarming people.

Getting punched in the face or potentially shot is not fun.

I'm not aware of which Washington you must live in, since open carry is legal. are you going to tie up the 911 line for someone who really has an emergency to share because you think someone is strutting their piece?

Open carry rarely causes problems. I was at an event in downtown seattle, an anti-gun rally, 13 people were open carrying as a counter protest. even then no issues. your projecting a scenario that's unlikely at best....
Just to be clear, 1) My children are not average, a point of fact that I am proud of. 2) It was a measure of how under prepared and unaware some people are. 3) Had that ridiculous example I used as a measure, actually occurred, you would have to also consider that I likely would be standing right behind her.....let your imagination run wild.

The "WA" I live in, as you so passive aggressively put it, is the same as yours. Yes, I will notify LE via 911 if they clearly need a conversation, and since my authority is non-existent in most circumstances, I cannot do it. You may be surprised to know that LE/Dispatch systems have the ability to prioritize calls. There is no excuse for this open carry in highly populated areas. It is a Dick swinging contest, and I will never support it. My BIGGEST reason for that is the application of advantage. The second reason is it disturbs the Sheep and they think all gun owners are bullies/cocky/"wannabees"/Etc/. I have personally seen 7 open carry incidents, where I did NOT have anything to do with the "Alarm". I am going to go with my experience over yours. Nothing personal of course, I just value my tenure in this field higher than your stated experience.

I don't have a problem with the "law", and in rural areas where guns are the norm, or outdoor activities, it is an applicable way I suppose. The only time I carry openly is on the range, or Outdoor activities commensurate with Camping/Hunting.

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Old 01-22-2013, 08:57 AM   #64
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Just to be clear, 1) My children are not average, a point of fact that I am proud of. 2) It was a measure of how under prepared and unaware some people are. 3) Had that ridiculous example I used as a measure, actually occurred, you would have to also consider that I likely would be standing right behind her.....let you imagination run wild.

The "WA" I live in, as you so passive aggressively put it, is the same as yours. Yes, I will notify LE via 911 if they clearly need a conversation, and since my authority is non-existent in most circumstances, I cannot do it. You may be surprised to know that LE/Dispatch systems have the ability to prioritize calls. There is no excuse for this open carry in highly populated areas. It is a Dick swinging contest, and I will never support it. My BIGGEST reason for that is the application of advantage. The second reason is it disturbs the Sheep and they think all gun owners are bullies/cocky/"wannabees"/Etc/. I have personally seen 7 open carry incidents, where I did NOT have anything to do with the "Alarm". I am going to go with my experience over yours. Nothing personal of course, I just value my tenure in this field higher than your stated experience.

I don't have a problem with the "law", and in rural areas where guns are the norm, or outdoor activities, it is an applicable way I suppose. The only time I carry openly is on the range, or Outdoor activities commensurate with Camping/Hunting.
Keep your beliefs off my freedoms, thanks. By being afraid FOR the sheep and being afraid to disturb them, you are becoming one.

How do you decide what is "peacocking" and what isn't? By the way someone walks? Where they place the gun on their person? They touch it in a way that disturbs you?

The idle threats and "peacocking" you display here say a lot about yourself, BTW. "Let your imagination run wild.." Oh, the irony!
 
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I'm from Springfield, Oregon and OC in the summer and CC in the winter. Also depends on the place like a mall I have to CC.

Fellow motorcycle enthusiast here, have an 08 FLHTCUI and pull a trailer.

Btw, get your non-resident Utah CFP concealed firearm permit and you're legal to CC in Oregon and 31 other states across the nation.

Robert P.
Not true. Oregon has no reciprocity with ANYONE. Utah Permit is NOT valid in Oregon.
 
Old 01-22-2013, 09:12 AM   #66
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Support? Both.
Do? Concealed generally, OC in the boonies.
IMO, there are times/places that OC just isn't prudent.
 
Old 01-22-2013, 09:24 AM   #67
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I support OC but I think there are times and places for it. Camping, some hiking, training, I'm often open carry.

For every day though it stays concealed. I don't think it's being PC trying not to startle the sheep, I just think that's good tactics.

But if you want to think of it another way, OC marks you as a target. I'd rather stay grey.

My humble opinion.
 
Old 01-22-2013, 09:25 AM   #68
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Just to be clear, 1) My children are not average, a point of fact that I am proud of. 2) It was a measure of how under prepared and unaware some people are. 3) Had that ridiculous example I used as a measure, actually occurred, you would have to also consider that I likely would be standing right behind her.....let you imagination run wild.

The "WA" I live in, as you so passive aggressively put it, is the same as yours. Yes, I will notify LE via 911 if they clearly need a conversation, and since my authority is non-existent in most circumstances, I cannot do it. You may be surprised to know that LE/Dispatch systems have the ability to prioritize calls. There is no excuse for this open carry in highly populated areas. It is a Dick swinging contest, and I will never support it. My BIGGEST reason for that is the application of advantage. The second reason is it disturbs the Sheep and they think all gun owners are bullies/cocky/"wannabees"/Etc/. I have personally seen 7 open carry incidents, where I did NOT have anything to do with the "Alarm". I am going to go with my experience over yours. Nothing personal of course, I just value my tenure in this field higher than your stated experience.

I don't have a problem with the "law", and in rural areas where guns are the norm, or outdoor activities, it is an applicable way I suppose. The only time I carry openly is on the range, or Outdoor activities commensurate with Camping/Hunting.
Well said, and agree 100%. And I'm no sheep either.
 
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Keep your beliefs off my freedoms, thanks. By being afraid FOR the sheep and being afraid to disturb them, you are becoming one.

How do you decide what is "peacocking" and what isn't? By the way someone walks? Where they place the gun on their person? They touch it in a way that disturbs you?

The idle threats and "peacocking" you display here say a lot about yourself, BTW. "Let your imagination run wild.." Oh, the irony!

I think perhaps you have me confused with the middle of the food chain.
If you somehow felt threatened by my post, I assure you, it was not intended in so much as it is a clear Freudian reaction waiting to respond....

1) I am about as far away from a "Sheep" as one could be without being a wolf.
2) I am QUITE qualified to quantify "Pea cocking"

3) Your passive inference that I am somehow weak is just the type of mis-judgement (as it also applies to your linear thinking capabilities and processing available information) that I am "OK" with when I am in public. You go on thinking I am a "Pussy"....I am ok with that.

4) I would be curious to hear from people that actually know me....strictly for entertainment purposes.

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I think perhaps you have me confused with the middle of the food chain.
If you somehow felt threatened by my post, I assure you, it was not intended in so much as it is a clear Freudian reaction waiting to respond....

1) I am about as far away from a "Sheep" as one could be without being a wolf.
2) I am QUITE qualified to quantify "Pea cocking"

3) Your passive inference that I am somehow weak is just the type of mis-judgement (as it also applies to your linear thinking capabilities and processing available information) that I am "OK" with when I am in public. You go on thinking I am a "Pussy"....I am ok with that.

4) I would be curious to hear from people that actually know me....strictly for entertainment purposes.





OH timmy is cuddly... I wouldn't say sheep so much. But he definitely has an animal counterpart.

 
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Timmy, I gotta be honest, I never in a million years would have suspected you of being a guy that would call 911 because someone is legally carrying. I thought you were on the complete other side of the gun rights table.

To me there are philosophies of use. And while I may or may not agree with everyone else's philosophy I ultimately defer to our federal (and to a lesser degree, state) Constitution. Until now, I would have pegged you for the same.

I guess it makes me think of people that would call the cops on sport bike riders because it "looked like" they were going to start stunting. To have a fellow rider say he'd drop the dime on anyone with 12 bars on their bike would just be something I'd not expect...
 
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Timmy, I gotta be honest, I never in a million years would have suspected you of being a guy that would call 911 because someone is legally carrying. I thought you were on the complete other side of the gun rights table.

To me there are philosophies of use. And while I may or may not agree with everyone else's philosophy I ultimately defer to our federal (and to a lesser degree, state) Constitution. Until now, I would have pegged you for the same.

I guess it makes me think of people that would call the cops on sport bike riders because it "looked like" they were going to start stunting. To have a fellow rider say he'd drop the dime on anyone with 12 bars on their bike would just be something I'd not expect...
My dear Brother....I am not going into the finite details of what would cause the actual call. Some guy walks into a structure I am in, open carry, smile on his face, hands completely uninterested in his Genis (gun/penis) and not in any way shape or form conveying any will to intimidate/draw attention to...I will judge the shit out of it in my mind, but never involve the 911 process.

If, on the other hand, someone walks into a structure or area I am in, clearly wishing for everyone to see the "Look at me look at me", and contacting their weapon repeatedly in a manor consistent with attracting attention, looking around at everyone, waiting for someone to say something....THAT guy gets a call. THAT guy is increasing the possibility that someone may completely (and perhaps ignorantly) over-react and cause a scene.I DO NOT wish to be present for said "Scene". I have been present for many of these bizarre situations. One even ending up with another armed patron over-reacting to the attitude returned from the lawful open carry by drawing his sidearm as I was exiting the establishment.

My experience is, across the board, poor results from open carry. I have seen a few folks carrying open, and I was left with the impression that they just left the range or returning from hunting...and it was like it wasn't even there. I can cope with that, but to see all the anti-gun sneers jeers and reactions, it just furthers my preference that carrying OPEN in heavily populated/Metropolitan areas, unless in a uniformed capacity, is a bad choice.

I will leave you to consider your knowledge of my experience with bad guys, and consider that being around someone like that, seeing people become fearful, is off-putting to me. Time and place. Time, and, place. I do not immediately dial 911 when I see a gun. My first course is to simply leave and separate myself from the Freudian cock-swinging *if applicable. If for some reason, it is an inconvenience or issue with leaving, then that person is of priority interest to me. So,I would say maybe "less Likely" to dial 911, but if I make that call, I am standing by it as warranted. I have NEVER been chastised on scene for that act, and in two of those cases the person DID NOT POSSESS a CPL.

I realize it is quite judgmental on my part, but I am not willing to dismiss my experience and repeated ROI on that judgement.

Can you imagine walking into Nordstrom with a firearm in plain view? Especially in today's enviro? How about Walking around another large box store with women and children,many of whom likely have limited knowledge/experience...why should their day be influenced with fear (be it warranted or not), an add to anti-gun sentiment. Now, if I am in Enumclaw, or Puyallup South hill at a sporting goods store....and I see a guy open carrying with no hint or visual verification of LE status, I wont say shit, I won't really worry, make a note of him and move on. If I see a guy in Southcenter, walking around with no ID present, open carry, and watching the vast majority of people noticing it, and freaking out (many times, most times, people will not say shit to the guy carrying the gun), I have a problem with that. WHAT purpose could a person possibly have for open carry in a highly populated situation like that? If you can take the time and invested the effort into weapon retention training, then you should be able to also devote attention and time to proper concealment and related presentation capabilities.

Trying to cover every possible angle seems impossible to me, so perhaps my initial inference in your mind was not as clear as it was intended. I respect you so very Much Richard, and I consider you one of the most reasonable people on the planet. I hope I have clarified my line of thought on this.

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Old 05-20-2017, 03:18 AM   #73
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I support both, but what do I prefer? Concealed. I'll OC while fishing or hiking, gold panning, and my work makes me OC. But for EDC, conceal, usually with a light coat just to make it a little better hidden (I carry a glock 17, and I'm like 5'5", so a shirt by itself usually isn't enough to cover the handle well unless it's a baggy shirt.)

But I'm fine with seeing guys OC. I used to OC before I was 21. But now that my job is working with bad guys.... I prefer the element of surprise much more.


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Old 05-20-2017, 03:20 AM   #74
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Concealed, period.

Open carry makes the public act weird, unless you're wearing a uniform that's commonly noted for open carry.

My only exception is if I am somewhere where I need my six-shooter with snake loads.


Gotta love snake shot! Under 15 feet anyway... You could shoot those at paper at 30 feet and never penetrate lol


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