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Old 08-23-2013, 06:33 AM   #1
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What stops you from carrying daily?

For you guys that are interested in concealed carry, but don't carry yet...

What keeps you from doing so?

Some folks have no interest in carrying, which is fine, it's not for everyone. But others WANT to...but don't. There's some kind of barrier that stops them. This isn't a reason for embarrassment or shame...there's a learning curve for everything. The guy who can admit that he has something to learn has a lot more courage than the one who sits in silence.

For the guys that do carry every day, what advice do you have for the novice to help break down these barriers?

I have my own thoughts obviously but want to hear from others.

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Old 08-23-2013, 07:48 AM   #2
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I carry...and few friends that dont have made commented

~ wont make me any safer
~ I dont want to be labeled by others as "paranoid"
~ just not comfortable carrying a weapon

My personal advice stands at be prepared, be vigilant.
~We Don’t Want to Shoot Anyone
~It’s a Dangerous World
~Use Your Rights – or Lose Them
~Carrying a Gun is Inconvenient and Uncomfortable

Get as much training and knowledge about THAT firearm and never, ever leave it at home.

Last edited by ShelbyGuy; 08-23-2013 at 07:51 AM.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 08:05 AM   #3
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Can't carry at work.
Don't wanna carry sitting around at home.
Try to not carry when I know alcohol will be involved.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 08:38 AM   #4
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it would be supremely inappropriate in my work setting, up to, and including losing my job.

concealed means concealed, right? I have no locker, no storage, no drawers. Just a flat desk and a backpack.

concealed in a backpack isn't accessible, and I don't have time to transfer from on my person to my backpack in a concealed manner.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 09:09 AM   #5
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People make choices not to carry and I respect that. If there's any question about carrying...well then there's no question. If you're not comfortable with it, if you're not ready for it, if you're not trained for it...then you shouldn't do it.

However I think there are people who WANT to but choose not to make that leap. There are barriers...but I say those barriers are made for knocking down. IMHO, those who are at all concerned about self-protection should be considering this option, and if they deem it worthwhile they should take the steps to make it a reality.

"it won't make me any safer" - neither do seat belts, air bags, doctor visits, motorcycle helments...etc, etc. right up until the point you need them.

"I don't want to be labeled as paranoid" - #1 concealed means concealed. Carry an appropriate firearm, with an appropriate holster, with appropriate clothing. 99% of the sheep aren't aware and aren't even looking for it. #2 why concern yourself with the judgments of lesser men?

"just not comfortable carrying" - ok, then don't. But if you're on the fence, like so many, overcome this. Get training...practice...better yourself. One day you'll wake up and wonder why you never carried at all.

Non-permissive environments, particularly work, are always problematic. And when your livelihood is at stake obviously that's a serious consideration. If you're not up to that challenge, then you're not up to it. Fair enough. But it can be done for those that are motivated. Clothing choices, holster choices, and most of all professional demeanor, handling, and awareness are necessary. It's not for everybody.

Carrying at home. I google searched "home invasion" just this morning and this was one of the first hits. Search result | HeraldNet.com - Everett and Snohomish County, Washington

Not trying to start an argument...just a discussion. :)
 
Old 08-23-2013, 09:17 AM   #6
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carry daily

I substitute teach-Gun free zone.

In summer or otherwise hot weather, I wear shorts and a T-shirt, there's no place to conceal anything. When it's colder and I can wear a jacket, long sweatshirt or sweater, I carry.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 09:30 AM   #7
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I substitute teach-Gun free zone.

In summer or otherwise hot weather, I wear shorts and a T-shirt, there's no place to conceal anything. When it's colder and I can wear a jacket, long sweatshirt or sweater, I carry.
And we respect "gun free zones" why?

Sure, work is an NPE and requires some extra effort. A guys that isn't up for that effort, well it's not a choice at all. Don't carry. For the guy that is up for it, education on choices how is easily found. Attention to detail and the risk is very, very small of being made.

But because someone says it's a 'gun free zone'...well I wouldn't pay attention to a sign that says leave my balls at the door either.

Hot weather is more of a pain in the ass, no arguments there. But again, with good choices, the right gun/holster/clothing...it is not that big a challenge to surmount. It comes down to whether one wants to or not.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 01:50 PM   #8
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I'm new to CC, I have gone through answeing a lot of questions and Philosophy of use issues. Will I ever OC? How do I CC? IWB? Pocket Holster? Ankle? What do I CC? Do I keep one in the pipe? or no? Saftey on or off? Store my guns loaded or empty? What Ammo Do I use? Will I leave my Gun In the car when there is a Weapons free sticker in the window at the resturaunt or theater I am going to? Will I leave my Gun in the car? Should I just leave it at home if I know or even if Imight have to leave it?

RCW 9.41.280: Possessing dangerous weapons on school facilities
This kind of gun free zone needs to be respected as much as you care to respect any RCW.

However, If it's not posted with a relevant RCW, it's your risk tolerance. If you're not OC, it most likely wont be a problem as long as your not hiding a Python in an ankle holster.

I work with Youth and there is always horseplay that goes along with young people, so I generally don't carry when I am doing youth events.

I have only been Conceal carrying for a short time and I really don't want to be the next guy that gives the gun community black eye. There is a lot to think about when you carry, I had no idea of the compexities of carrying before I started thinking about doing it. Getting caught when it is not appropriate to be carrying, is just about as bad as not having one when you need it. Finding that balance is the challenge.

It is a little like motorcycling, you have more going on than just yourself to think about, while everyone else is sleepwalking through their day, you have to be doing your thinking for yourself, and them. It is more responsibility, if you don't want that, you probably shouldn't carry.

Brent-

You are always provoking thought about the subject, I appreciate the dialogue and the contributions you make on this forum. I wish I lived closer to you, I would really like to spend some time learning from you in person.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 02:08 PM   #9
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Eddie - thanks for the nice comment. I'm sure one of these days we can connect for some training. :)

You raise some excellent points and push the conversation further. I have to run but your comments beg more discussion!

later...
 
Old 08-23-2013, 02:11 PM   #10
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I really like this post.

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I'm new to CC, I have gone through answeing a lot of questions and Philosophy of use issues. Will I ever OC? How do I CC? IWB? Pocket Holster? Ankle? What do I CC? Do I keep one in the pipe? or no? Saftey on or off? Store my guns loaded or empty? What Ammo Do I use? Will I leave my Gun In the car when there is a Weapons free sticker in the window at the resturaunt or theater I am going to? Will I leave my Gun in the car? Should I just leave it at home if I know or even if Imight have to leave it?

RCW 9.41.280: Possessing dangerous weapons on school facilities
This kind of gun free zone needs to be respected as much as you care to respect any RCW.

However, If it's not posted with a relevant RCW, it's your risk tolerance. If you're not OC, it most likely wont be a problem as long as your not hiding a Python in an ankle holster.

I work with Youth and there is always horseplay that goes along with young people, so I generally don't carry when I am doing youth events.

I have only been Conceal carrying for a short time and I really don't want to be the next guy that gives the gun community black eye. There is a lot to think about when you carry, I had no idea of the compexities of carrying before I started thinking about doing it. Getting caught when it is not appropriate to be carrying, is just about as bad as not having one when you need it. Finding that balance is the challenge.

It is a little like motorcycling, you have more going on than just yourself to think about, while everyone else is sleepwalking through their day, you have to be doing your thinking for yourself, and them. It is more responsibility, if you don't want that, you probably shouldn't carry.

Brent-

You are always provoking thought about the subject, I appreciate the dialogue and the contributions you make on this forum. I wish I lived closer to you, I would really like to spend some time learning from you in person.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 06:05 PM   #11
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My employer and the various locations we work out of have no weapons rules.

These rules are rooted in the insurance that covers us and them.

I drive a 105,500 GVW Dump truck and Trailer. I unhook and hook up my trailer as many as 10 times in a day. Each time involves physical movements that would make anything but a pocket carry almost impossible to conceal.

That said my normal carry is a pocket carry a small Bauer .25 Automatic in a Wallet type holster.

The idea of sitting on it would destroy my back in a morning. As it is most days I pull my Wallet out and put it in my truck bag and its only about 3/8" thick.

I do not travel in areas of high risk except very rarely. I do not live in an area where the chances of a home invasion are higher then being stuck by lightning. (I also do not carry a lightning rod daily).

When we travel when I visit someplace I deem to be a higher risk environment or if I am out late at night. I will then carry.

I have had my permit since early 1991 and I carried when I felt the need for at least 5 years before that.

So in a nut shell no I do not carry all the time nor do I carry daily nor do I feel the need to.

If my employer allowed Weapons on site or in the vehicles I doubt I would carry just not worth the PITA when I weigh the risk.

YMMV
 
Old 08-24-2013, 12:38 AM   #12
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I think there's a couple leaps a person has to make; mental & physical.

The mental blocks are most likely the biggest thing (potential impact of livelihood due to workplace policy, considerations about being responsible for self/others in the environment, legal concerns if your gun was used in any way, competency, etc.).

Physical blocks I would think would be less (carry location, type/model of gun, holster type, impact on clothing choices, training/practice, etc.).

I'd recommend just doing things step by step. Get & wear a good belt. Worse case scenario is if you give up on carrying, you 'll have a belt. Try a holster and wear it with no weapon or a training piece -- to figure out what's comfortable/concealable. Wear this as long as you want until you feel comfortable with it. Then carry your weapon -- could be unloaded, no magazine, whatever -- until you feel comfortable with it. Then carry with a loaded magazine but none in the chamber -- do that for as many weeks/months as needed. Decide if you want one in the chamber or not at some point in the future, then do that.

There are little pocket guns/holsters for summer carry. And your regular carry mode can become so comfortable, you end up carrying all the time (inside & outside the home). Not to mention your pants might not fit if everything is sized for an IWB set up. ;)
 
Old 08-24-2013, 12:13 PM   #13
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RCW 9.41.280: Possessing dangerous weapons on school facilities
This kind of gun free zone needs to be respected as much as you care to respect any RCW.
Therein lies the key.

I do not commit murder. That's because a higher authority than RCW tells me it is wrong. Laws in the here and now may reinforce that with worldly penalties...which is probably necessary for some people.

I do not find it against my conscience to carry in a gun free zone. So my respect for these laws is exactly zero. Obviously, there are penalties if caught...but that also means exactly zero to me. Training, experience, wisdom, awareness...these things ensure that I will not pay such a penalty.

As always, big boy rules apply. Those that want to play by big boy rules must 1. choose to do so and 2. bring their knowledge and skills up to the point of capability.

Those that don't want to play by those rules don't have to. With lesser responsibility comes lesser capability. It is a choice and balance that we weigh.

For me, I choose more capability, and accept the responsibility that comes with it.
 
Old 08-24-2013, 12:38 PM   #14
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Mine in bold:

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I work with Youth and there is always horseplay that goes along with young people, so I generally don't carry when I am doing youth events.
A wise policy. It's a choice about what we are to engage in. I don't carry when I teach classes at my dojo. (of course there are ample weapons within easy reach) :) However again we must accept the lesser capability. The 2011 Norway shooting was at a youth event. Are these attacks common? No, but they happen. Perhaps at my age I have the luxury of staying out of the horseplay, with the knowledge that I'm ready, willing and able to engage such a threat. It's not boasting if it is simply true.

I really don't want to be the next guy that gives the gun community black eye.
[B]Then don't. :) I don't mean that to sound facetious. Responsibility and professionalism rule the day here. I don't hit my dog...not because of any special training or failsafes...I simply don't do it. [B]

There is a lot to think about when you carry, I had no idea of the complexities of carrying before I started thinking about doing it.
So refreshing to see someone write this. :)

Getting caught when it is not appropriate to be carrying, is just about as bad as not having one when you need it.
On this one I will disagree. If I'm made carrying at a school, I'll pay some consequences. It will cost some money, it will be embarrassing. If your work is an NPE it's more serious. Most of us can't risk losing employment, and I sympathize...but I also believe this: make yourself so valuable that others will hire you in a heartbeat. Improve, become stronger professionally, improve your shortcomings and maximize your strengths. Start your own business and succeed in spite of limitations. That's another discussion but it leads back to this subject...no matter the hardships we and our family must face, they're pretty minor compared to being under the dirt. Or if your wife or child is in the ground when you might have been able to do something about it. Whatever the consequences of breaking NPE rules, they pale in comparison to consequences if you need your weapon and don't have it.

you have more going on than just yourself to think about, while everyone else is sleepwalking through their day, you have to be doing your thinking for yourself, and them. It is more responsibility, if you don't want that, you probably shouldn't carry.
I could not agree more with this last sentiment.
 
Old 08-24-2013, 02:21 PM   #15
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so, if you don't respect laws, they don't apply?

that sounds logical.

I don't respect the laws that say I can't shoot people.
 
Old 08-24-2013, 03:04 PM   #16
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so, if you don't respect laws, they don't apply?

that sounds logical.

I don't respect the laws that say I can't shoot people.
I think perhaps you're smart enough to differentiate between actions that cause harm and those that don't.

To be clear I'm not making a blanket statement to ignore laws simply because we feel like it. I *am* saying that some laws infringe on our natural rights, and I think most of us can figure out the difference.

I wanted to start a conversation on WHY folks make the choice not to carry. People make choices to carry or not, and I respect those choices. I think there are plenty of defensible reasons behind either choice.

I just happen to find "Gun free zone" reasons particularly unpersuasive. But for those that want to be obedient to such instructions, it's no skin off me. I just don't understand it.
 
Old 08-25-2013, 11:43 AM   #17
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People make choices not to carry and I respect that. If there's any question about carrying...well then there's no question. If you're not comfortable with it, if you're not ready for it, if you're not trained for it...then you shouldn't do it.

However I think there are people who WANT to but choose not to make that leap. There are barriers...but I say those barriers are made for knocking down. IMHO, those who are at all concerned about self-protection should be considering this option, and if they deem it worthwhile they should take the steps to make it a reality.

"it won't make me any safer" - neither do seat belts, air bags, doctor visits, motorcycle helments...etc, etc. right up until the point you need them.

"I don't want to be labeled as paranoid" - #1 concealed means concealed. Carry an appropriate firearm, with an appropriate holster, with appropriate clothing. 99% of the sheep aren't aware and aren't even looking for it. #2 why concern yourself with the judgments of lesser men?

"just not comfortable carrying" - ok, then don't. But if you're on the fence, like so many, overcome this. Get training...practice...better yourself. One day you'll wake up and wonder why you never carried at all.

Non-permissive environments, particularly work, are always problematic. And when your livelihood is at stake obviously that's a serious consideration. If you're not up to that challenge, then you're not up to it. Fair enough. But it can be done for those that are motivated. Clothing choices, holster choices, and most of all professional demeanor, handling, and awareness are necessary. It's not for everybody.

Carrying at home. I google searched "home invasion" just this morning and this was one of the first hits. Search result | HeraldNet.com - Everett and Snohomish County, Washington

Not trying to start an argument...just a discussion. :)
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I think perhaps you're smart enough to differentiate between actions that cause harm and those that don't.

To be clear I'm not making a blanket statement to ignore laws simply because we feel like it. I *am* saying that some laws infringe on our natural rights, and I think most of us can figure out the difference.

I wanted to start a conversation on WHY folks make the choice not to carry. People make choices to carry or not, and I respect those choices. I think there are plenty of defensible reasons behind either choice.

I just happen to find "Gun free zone" reasons particularly unpersuasive. But for those that want to be obedient to such instructions, it's no skin off me. I just don't understand it.
lol, of course I can make that distinction.

will the media/public/jury see things the way you do if you use your firearm in a gun free zone?
 
Old 08-25-2013, 12:27 PM   #18
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will the media/public/jury see things the way you do if you use your firearm in a gun free zone?
If we have to use our firearms anywhere, it had better be for a good reason. Assuming we can articulate that the bad guy had the intent, means and opportunity to do us or others harm, we can win a self-defense case.

Look at Zimmerman...even with a shoot that was not 100% clean, even with a zealous prosecutor and the media against him, he was not proven guilty based on the facts of the case. (And I'm not posting anything pro- or anti- Zimmerman...merely stating he wasn't proven guilty. He DID have to go through legal hell and his life will be forever altered...but some of that is his own doing. Moving on...)

I accept responsibility for carrying in an NPE, and recognize that if I'm caught I would face penalties. My only point on the gun free zone business is that those penalties are pretty minor compared to the alternative.
 
Old 08-25-2013, 02:43 PM   #19
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Well I only eat out at bars and don't want to leave my gun in a car.

I can't carry at work.

I don't want to carry when I know I'll be drinking which I drink extremely often. I brew beer so I tend to consume alcohol on a very regular occasion......
 
Old 08-25-2013, 04:56 PM   #20
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Let's differentiate between WANT and DON'T want.

Most people don't want to carry. No reason is needed...if you don't want to, you don't want to. Enough said.

Then there are those sometimes might want to carry, but choose not to due to circumstances. Too difficult/risky at work, too big a pain in the ass, doesn't work with the clothes you wear, whatever reasons. So effectively, they DON'T want to carry. Also enough said.

But for those who want to carry but haven't quite made that leap...what would it take? What holds you back?

Is carrying more responsibility and more work than not? You bet. If you're going to carry regularly, it requires some discipline. If it's not worth it to you, fair enough.

But I submit that that these barriers are easily addressed once you've 1. made the decision, 2. acquire the necessary knowledgeable, and 3. follow through with the discipline required.

So to those of you on the fence, I challenge you to make the leap. Growth requires effort and some sacrifice, but it's usually worth it.
 
Old 08-25-2013, 06:02 PM   #21
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I have had the ability to carry for 20 years, and never felt the need too. I am pretty good at keeping myself out of situations where I feel uncomfortable and may "want" the protection. That being said I have never felt the want/need to carry more than I do now in todays day and age. I still dont for the most part for 2 reasons. I work for a contractor who does not permit and I work on a property that also does not permit. A double negative that would end badly for me if caught.
 
Old 08-26-2013, 09:31 PM   #22
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Can't carry at work.
Don't wanna carry sitting around at home.
Try to not carry when I know alcohol will be involved.
This just described %90 of my life. lol.. I carry the rest of the time though.
 
Old 08-26-2013, 10:30 PM   #23
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I'll jump in..

- I could most likely carry at work esp subcompact small cal.
- I am often in places that are carry friendly
- I don't go out and drink that often.. so that's not an issue.

I don't carry concealed because I'm lazy and untrained, and I respect my weapons and the safety of those around me.

Why have I never wanted (until recently) to carry concealed??
- haven't applied for a permit
- haven't taken any basic concealed classes

I believe part of my hesitation to carry on a daily basis is my fear of my gun falling out.. ending up in the wrong hands.. putting me or others at risk. (I've had my knife hit the ground many times with a funny reaction from co-workers)

I feel like my level of awareness would need to go from a 4 to a 10.

I would want to learn some techniques to help me feel comfortable.

Also as rob said, in my 40 yrs on the planet, I've been able to avoid life threatening situations fairly easily. by using that pesky grey matter.

I do carry weapons in bug-out bags/get home bags. They are not loaded but have the means to be.. I suppose the idea would be able to fight my way back to home base (or turn and leave if that was no longer viable)

I have most of my guns in the safe, but have pistols/shotguns available in the house should something happen.

I'm VERY comfortable with these scenarios and being able to access/use them appropriately.

I do open carry whenever I'm going shooting. I feel very comfortable doing so, and never worry about my gun falling into a compromising situation. Mostly because I'm very situationally aware (on guard) when my intention is to use/abuse firearms.


So there's your setup.. WHY AM I CONSIDERING CARRYING NOW?

I believe our rights are under attack, and want to be able to speak intelligently about carrying (open or concealed)

I feel like I'm a decent ambassador for responsible gun owners (I've been in MANY verbal gun battles with my very liberal friends)

I feel like I would be able and willing to use my judgement in a bad situation (either to use, or not to use deadly force)



I guess that's it..
 
Old 08-27-2013, 07:59 AM   #24
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I don't carry concealed because I'm lazy and untrained, and I respect my weapons and the safety of those around me.

Why have I never wanted (until recently) to carry concealed??
- haven't applied for a permit
- haven't taken any basic concealed classes

I believe part of my hesitation to carry on a daily basis is my fear of my gun falling out.. ending up in the wrong hands.. putting me or others at risk. (I've had my knife hit the ground many times with a funny reaction from co-workers)

I feel like my level of awareness would need to go from a 4 to a 10.

I would want to learn some techniques to help me feel comfortable.

Also as rob said, in my 40 yrs on the planet, I've been able to avoid life threatening situations fairly easily. by using that pesky grey matter.

So there's your setup.. WHY AM I CONSIDERING CARRYING NOW?

I feel like I'm a decent ambassador for responsible gun owners (I've been in MANY verbal gun battles with my very liberal friends)

I feel like I would be able and willing to use my judgement in a bad situation (either to use, or not to use deadly force)
I think that's an excellent post, and my guess is that it closely resembles most guys who are reluctant to carry. I think you nailed it, and I completely agree...without some decent training, in both technique, awareness, and equipment, it's not responsible to carry. Thanks for sharing that!

My challenge to guys that want to carry is to 'upgrade' your knowledge and skills so you can overcome that hesitation. (obviously, it has to be something you really want. If you don't want it...well, probably no reason for you to be reading this thread.)

As for avoiding bad situations and not needing a gun...
Avoidance in the first place is always the best self-protection. Observance of the "4-Stupids rule" always applies!

But we don't wear seatbelts or have airbags because we PLAN on getting in accidents on purpose. Carrying a gun is much the same.

I don't NEED to carry a gun, because I behave in ways that minimize my exposure to danger. I WANT to carry...because I can, because bad sh*t happens, because if I'm there and I can make a difference I intend to.
 
Old 08-28-2013, 01:26 PM   #25
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we don't wear seatbelts or have airbags because we PLAN on getting in accidents on purpose. Carrying a gun is much the same.

I don't NEED to carry a gun, because I behave in ways that minimize my exposure to danger. I WANT to carry...because I can, because bad sh*t happens, because if I'm there and I can make a difference I intend to.

thanks brent..

I like the seatbelt analogy... being prepared for whatever is part of who I am. I do feel under prepared for some of the things going on around us these days.


I guess at the end of the day I feel I'm pretty able to minimize my personal exposure to danger (avoidance) but in a extreme situation I would feel responsible to help those around me.

I guess I would really question myself if something happened and I was not able to do as much as I'm able to set things right..
 
Old 08-28-2013, 10:52 PM   #26
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You know there was an accusation made my way that people carrying guns intend to use them -- that they want to use them and end up finding situations where they can use them. It was pretty anti-gun sentiment.

My rebuttal was along these lines:
  • When I did my life guard schooling I didn't dream for someone to drown. I dreamed of being able to help if/when someone needed help.
  • When I got CPR and first aid training I wasn't hoping for people to drop so I could attempt a resuscitation. I was thinking along the lines of hoping my training would be of use if it did occur.
  • When I finished firefighting school I didn't wish for fires to break out so I could use my new-found skills, but I did envision being able to effectively help if one did.
I first got into carrying (as in legally permitted) back when the WTO riots broke out in 1999. I was working in downtown at the time -- and lived nearby as well. It was a bit of an eye opener for me. Since then I've found more and more reasons to do so.
 
Old 08-29-2013, 09:23 AM   #27
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One of the reasons I didn't carry was due to comfort. I've since at least started to remedy that situation with a smaller, lighter gun and better holster. I carried all-day, every day on my camping trip over the weekend, and it was quite a bit more comfortable (Shield 9 w/ CB Supertuck).

I'm very sensitive to being made, and will probably get an even smaller pistol for deeper carry in t-shirt & shorts, etc (an LCP or some other 380).

I refuse to change my wardrobe just to better conceal a pistol. Large, boxy shirts & pants on someone with my frame is just stupid looking. So I either won't carry, or if I choose to carry that day, I'll wear something that at least conceals a bit better. Also see above re: getting an even smaller carry piece.

Carry at work is prohibited. So I don't. I also take the bus, so there's no place to lock up a pistol if I did carry it. The occasional happy hour after work would be problematic too.
 
Old 08-29-2013, 08:07 PM   #28
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nothing stops me from carrying every day
 
Old 08-30-2013, 05:51 AM   #29
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My job keeps me from carrying everyday. As a teacher we sign multiple weapons policies and are prohibited from carrying any weapon at school. Our part time resource officer will "protect" us. :) that being said I always have a pocket knife on me as we'll as I have gone through my room to identify objects I would use to defend myself and my students.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 03:44 PM   #30
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I work on a Navy Base, and have to pass through "security" to get in. I don't like the prospect of becoming a felon, so I don't carry to work. I'm sure that the psycho who might shoot up the place will have the same concern, and not walk through the turnstiles with a backpack with guns inside. Therefore we are completely safe at work while the base police who make $15/hour are 2 miles away through an industrial environment.

The PSA they put out tells us to run, hide, or if you can't do either... throw a stapler at an active shooter. Yeah, that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Unless I'm at work, I am carrying. And I dress nicer ever since I started carrying too. A button up shirt works way better than a T-shirt for concealment.
 
Old 09-10-2013, 02:21 PM   #31
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If I am awake and dressed, it is attached to me somewhere, someway. Only exception is swimming, and that is only in backyard. Oh yeah, most of the federal gov't buildings downtown won't let you in when carrying.

If you are thinking about carrying, you have to be thinking about protection and judgment. Who are you protecting? How do you judge/assess the value of the situation?

Are you at peace with the concept of killing someone?
 
Old 11-12-2013, 02:47 AM   #32
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At 23 I've been cc for the last 8 months. I don't take it to work because it's prohibited, not a dangerous area, and I go to work then straight home. Other than work and going to the bar, I always have it on me. Using an iwb holster with a compact 1911 took some getting us to, but I love it. The mag is always full, but never one in the chamber, the safety is on unless my holster clicked it off. I do carry into movie theaters, especially after Colorado. The only school I take it onto is my college. And even though the college rules prohibit it, Oregon law allows it. So if the day comes I get caught with it on campus, I am prepared for the schools punishment. I also downloaded a few apps on my phone to see what businesses don't allow you to carry on their property, so I know where not to take my business. I don't live in a dangerous area by any means or travel to many dangerous spots. But I always carry by the rule, its better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. Before I ever got my permit I went out and practiced handling and shooting my new cc gun. And then I mentally prepared myself, for if the day ever comes I am prepared to protect myself and any other innocent people around me. Even if that means taking another life, or putting mine in jeopardy.
 
Old 11-12-2013, 04:17 AM   #33
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Gun free zone at the hospital I work at.
 
Old 11-12-2013, 09:04 AM   #34
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... The mag is always full, but never one in the chamber, ...
I realize you said you have only been carrying for 8 months, and it is probably a level of comfort issue, but I would recomend you do some more research on the merits of carrying in condition 1 (specifically labeled for the 1911). With a quality holster covering the trigger, "cocked and locked" is the "standard" method of carrying a 1911, and has been for decades. I have not heard of a single instance of a gun going off because there was a round chambered when carrying properly.
 
Old 11-12-2013, 10:39 AM   #35
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Is it legal to carry concealed on a university/college campus in Washington?

WAC 478-120-020 (f) Possession or use of firearms, explosives, dangerous chemicals or other dangerous weapons or instrumentalities on university premises, except for authorized university purposes, unless prior written approval has been obtained from the university chief of police, or any other person designated by the president of the university

This is under the University of Washington student code of conduct. I am a UW student. Is being a student an authorized university purpose?

Last edited by devanjones; 11-12-2013 at 11:03 AM. Reason: Attempting to answer my own question
 
Old 11-12-2013, 03:27 PM   #36
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Is it legal to carry concealed on a university/college campus in Washington?

WAC 478-120-020 (f) Possession or use of firearms, explosives, dangerous chemicals or other dangerous weapons or instrumentalities on university premises, except for authorized university purposes, unless prior written approval has been obtained from the university chief of police, or any other person designated by the president of the university

This is under the University of Washington student code of conduct. I am a UW student. Is being a student an authorized university purpose?
I am starting a thread about the guys at Gonzaga right now, but the short answer is that what you posted is the universities RULES, not the state law. It is 100% legal to carry on college campuses. That does not excuse you from disciplinary action if the university forbids it, but it is not illegal.

K-12 is illegal however, unless in the act of picking up or dropping of your student, and even then it is debatable wether you can enter the building or not.
 
Old 11-12-2013, 11:44 PM   #37
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I am starting a thread about the guys at Gonzaga right now, but the short answer is that what you posted is the universities RULES, not the state law. It is 100% legal to carry on college campuses. That does not excuse you from disciplinary action if the university forbids it, but it is not illegal.

K-12 is illegal however, unless in the act of picking up or dropping of your student, and even then it is debatable wether you can enter the building or not.
I know about the K-12 part. That's illegal. I guess I'll just find someone to ask at UW.
 
Old 11-13-2013, 06:37 AM   #38
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I know about the K-12 part. That's illegal. I guess I'll just find someone to ask at UW.
If you ask anyone in an official position at UW, they will tell you that guns are not allowed on campus. That being said, they have no more power over that than any business you walk in to, and arguably less since they are a government school, and we have state preemption that doesn't allow any government body but the state legislature write gun regulations.

They can ask you to leave campus if you are caught, but that is it. If you are a student, you could face disciplinary action, but no legal consequences.
 
Old 11-13-2013, 07:18 AM   #39
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If you ask anyone in an official position at UW, they will tell you that guns are not allowed on campus. That being said, they have no more power over that than any business you walk in to, and arguably less since they are a government school, and we have state preemption that doesn't allow any government body but the state legislature write gun regulations.

They can ask you to leave campus if you are caught, but that is it. If you are a student, you could face disciplinary action, but no legal consequences.
Unfortunately that's the same conclusion I've come to. I'll just get a copy of the code of conduct from them and try and figure it out. The Tacoma campus is an open campus which means anyone can walk through and hang out and in that part of town I've seen plenty of homeless people and a few who look like trouble. Hell, last week there was a minivan there with billet holes in it. Anyways, I don't want to get the thread too far off topic. UW's take on carrying would affect my decision.
 
Old 11-13-2013, 07:20 PM   #40
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Unfortunately that's the same conclusion I've come to. I'll just get a copy of the code of conduct from them and try and figure it out. The Tacoma campus is an open campus which means anyone can walk through and hang out and in that part of town I've seen plenty of homeless people and a few who look like trouble. Hell, last week there was a minivan there with billet holes in it. Anyways, I don't want to get the thread too far off topic. UW's take on carrying would affect my decision.
I felt the same way when I started carrying on campus. I would love to finish my engineering degree without getting kicked out of school. But since no legal action can be brought upon me, and with more than one school/college shooting happening lately. I would rather switch schools than be caught without my pistol when I need it. I just wear longer shirts or jacket, sit with my right side against the wall, bend at the knees and not at the hip. I try and do all the little things to avoid getting on the 6 o'clock news.
 
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