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Marksman Joined: Jan 2010 From: Sherwood, OR Posts: 371 | Local businesses pledge to go gun-free
What do you guys think about this? It sounds like the mayor is trying to say that simply having the sign on the door will be notification of tresspassing if armed. My inclination is that he would have no legal grounds for that assumption, and that nothing will actually change about how the armed tresspass laws are enforced, but I could see him trying to push it until he gets slapped down by the courts like happened with the parks a few years back. " SEATTLE — Local businesses are taking the pledge to stay gun free in the face of what one organization calls devastating gun violence. Mayor Mike McGinn, Washington CeaseFire, and dozens of local businesses announced the launch of a new program designed to help local businesses become “Gun Free Zones.” The program increases the number “Gun Free Zones” around the city. Once signing a petition, participating businesses will place a “Gun Free Zone” decal sticker in their business, banning all customers from carrying a weapon — even with a valid concealed carry permit — into the store. ... " Local businesses pledge to go gun-free | Q13 FOX News |
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Marksman Joined: Nov 2009 From: WA Posts: 463 |
I guess it would depend on the working of the sign and the attitude of the prosecutor's office. Unfortunately, the cops who could normally stand up and say "bullshit" are in a tough spot with this guy. The big thing is why do you care if it's enforceable? If it's private property, respect their rights, just like you want them to respect yours! I'd go the other way. Let everyone know who's on the list and point out they do not stand up for the rights of the public. Ad campaign making them out to be unfriendly would dissuade other businesses from this practice. Encourage businesses to proclaim they are gun friendly and welcome CWP holders in with a discount or something. I don't like boycotts and I wouldn't tell anyone not to shop somewhere but if they don't want me there, then I can spend my money elsewhere. |
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Sniper Joined: Jan 2009 From: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,318 |
Yeah, the enforceability doesn't sound too difficult from where I sit. It's just a matter of a private business being able to have whatever policy they want. The thing is, it's a PR stunt. They're trying to make it sound like "banning people from carrying, even with a CPL" would be similar to being in a bar while carrying -- against the law. If you're in a place that has one of these stickers and you didn't know about it, they could ask you to leave. If you didn't, then you'd have a problem. But if you did, it shouldn't be an ordeal, right? |
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Gunslinger Joined: Jan 2013 From: Seattle, WA Posts: 89 |
Private property, they have the right to choose whichever customers they want/don't want. Unless of course you're a florist that doesn't want to do the arrangements for a same sex wedding. But I digress. :) We also have the right to let those stores know we'll spend money at their competitors. |
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Gunslinger Joined: Mar 2013 From: Stanwood, WA Posts: 40 |
Time will tell. With all the news about their "sitting duck"zone pledge, their financial statements should show whether this was a good idea. For me, I wouldn't feel safe walking through their doors.
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Marksman Joined: Dec 2012 From: Vancouver, WA Posts: 266 |
I've never been asked in my life if I am conceal carrying. I have carried a flashlight and leatherman on my belt under a tee shirt for years that printed more than my iwb does. I say that, to say this, the average store owner or employee has no idea what they are seeing under your clothes. Cell phone? Fannie pack ? Colostomy bag? IDK? Secondly they are going to ask if you are carrying? Doubtful, even if they did, are you under any compulsion to disclose to anyone other than Law enforcement? No. So the real answer is, they are going to call the cops. If they suspect you are carrying, they are afraid of you already, and don't want to deal with you. So I think it will be unlikely that you will escape the legal ramifications of being in an establishment that posts no guns if you are found to be carrying. If the police are in line with this ordinance, the Sherriff could pull your concealed carry license. In my neck of the woods. Some law studen embarrasses the PDX police because he is reported by the citizenship. He outmaneuvers the cops, posts it on YouTube and now there is an ordinance against open carry. This guns and coffee shit is going to do much te same. You might be winning some battles, but the War is being lost. John Wayning your way around with an open carry is not win the support of John Q. Public. It's actually moving a lot of folks from ambivalence to supporting stricter gun laws. |
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Marksman Joined: Jan 2010 From: Sherwood, OR Posts: 371 | Quote:
Can OC be bad for our cause? Yeah, if you do it with the wrong attitude or goals, but it does not have to be. It can be a very good thing. | |
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Rifleman Joined: Jul 2011 From: Seattle Posts: 124 |
I had my first encounter with a "no gun zone" a few weeks ago at Poquitos on capitol hill in Seattle. I didn't have a problem with it, and did decide to give them my buisness that evening. It's their right, and I respect that. To me it equates to friends that aren't comfortable around firearms. If I want to enjoy their company/buisness/food, it's the tradeoff I choose to make. That night, I wanted to eat some delichous mexian food more than I wanted to carry.
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Marksman Joined: Dec 2012 From: Vancouver, WA Posts: 266 | Quote:
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Marksman Joined: Jan 2010 From: Sherwood, OR Posts: 371 | Sounds like we do agree. Too bad all misunderstandings can't be that easy to resolve.
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Sniper Joined: Jan 2009 From: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,318 | Quote:
I think we already know it, but if you were carrying concealed and simply disregarded their signs, no one would know. So they're relying on an honor-system of compliance, which is workable for people like you. The frustration around any of this is why our elected officials aren't going after the criminals with as much PR verve and vigor as they are the rest of us. Last edited by richardlpalmer; 08-31-2013 at 12:57 PM. | |
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Gunslinger Joined: Feb 2013 From: tacoma, WA Posts: 41 |
This is the latest most idiotic thing I have heard, at least this week. I'm sure a shooter who has decided to go kill a bunch of people in a store or other public building will see that idiotic sticker and just go home. And the assumption that it makes that if you carry it's to go commit crimes is equally insane. Y'all can do what you feel is right, but for me, unless it's a matter of dire circumstances, any business stupid enough and so contrary to our constitutional rights that wants to put up a sticker like that can do without a penny of my money. Last edited by StoneKnife; 08-31-2013 at 12:00 PM. Reason: por spelin |
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Newbie Joined: Sep 2013 From: Bellingham WA. Posts: 3 |
I don't normally agree with the whole boycott scenario. However, I have also found that most of the people with the "No Guns' sign on their doors are the same ones that scream for boycotting a business because of it's political stance. And let's face it the whole gun ban etc. attitude is politically based. Therefore I will not do business with the establishment. I recently came across a site that has business cards you can hand to them. No Gun No Money. Just like it is their right to deny me access and service, it is my right to not do business as well. Just saying.
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Marksman Joined: Jan 2009 From: Tri-Cities, Wa Posts: 395 | Quote:
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Peashooter Joined: Feb 2020 From: geralnd Posts: 8 |
I can't say anything about it. I just have no ideas. This is probably because all I think about is that I need to write an essay, and I can't even start. It's not that I can't write. I believe that the essay will not bring me knowledge, so I decided to save my time. Money costs less time. During this time, I'd rather do what I like or what is useful. Guys, maybe you know a good service where they write free essays?
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