BigStick

I think I remember reading something about this when I was going through the carry laws last, but I can't remember where.

Is it legal to carry into Indian casinos with your CPL?

I realize that to some extent, they have their own rules and laws, but I was wondering if there was somewhere that laid it out in writing? Some of them have "No Weapons" posted on their doors on the way in, but in WA, signs banning guns have no weight. Do they apply at the casinos because they are indian land, or do the signs still not matter?

I would like to know where to find the regulations, and possibly who to ask as far as the tribes go to figure it out if anyone knows.

Kolat

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Kolat

I'll just throw this out there take it how you will.

concealed means concealed.

T

BigStick

I live in WA and am primarily concerned with WA, but I have family and visit OR regularly, although, I am thinking if it is federally regulated, the rules might be the same.

If they just frown on it and can only ask you to leave, then yes, concealed means concealed, but if you ever had to use it for self defense, having an illegal weapon turns self defense into something a whole lot messier, and you end up being the one in jail. I prefer to avoid those sittuations if possible.

JayD1981

Since casinos are private property, they can allow or prohibit firearms as they please. Also, reservations are not bound by washington premption law, so you may not even be permitted to carry a fire arm on that reservation at all. Best to check with the local tribal police first.

Kolat

I would hope that you would'nt be using it unless you felt an imminent danger to yourself or someone you cared about. As the saying goes I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

T

BigStick

that's what I was thinking, but would the rest of the laws apply unless the tribe has specific statutes? Because I just remembered where I thought the WA law might cover this topic. It forbids the possesion of guns in any part of establishments that require a person to be 21 to enter (written for alcohol reasons) I wonder if this topic would fall under that umbrella, or if it is specifically up to the tribes.

JayD1981

That could possibly cover it too. I try to stay up on current gun laws, but how laws are enacted on tribal reservations is a grey area that I'm not too familiar with. You best bet for the correct answer to your questions is most likely the tribal police for the reservation in question.

GregM

I understand what you are getting at but I will refer to the old saying.....

I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6

JuiceBox

i was at tulalip last nite. the sign on the door referenced an rcw, can't remember which one, but said no weapons, violators will be persecuted under rcw xx.xxx...at least i think it was an rcw...

GregM

Might have to do with alcohol, if they have alcohol.
Hey wait, RCWs aren't in effect on sovereign nation land.
Something sounds fishy

JuiceBox

i didn't look too closely. it was some legal dewy decimal number nonsense that didn't concern me because i left my firearm at home.

Skinny

In Oregon there like any other private business. If it's nit posted your good to go nits always a good idea to call them up before you go and ask security. If it's on a reservation it's up to the chief if you can come on to the reservation and if you can carry. I know when I was in the repo biz we had to call and ask for permission to come on to get a truck

Thanatos

I used to carry on the Tulalip reservation because it was in the area around where I was living in Arlington. I always wondered if it was illegal or not but I did it anyways. Never had any trouble though. I did notice that they had Tribal police pulling over and citing speeders on I-5 near the reservation too.

GregM

It sort of interesting that we seem to have come full circle.
Back in the cowboy days men/gamblers carried guns even though it was against some city laws. Those were the "belly guns" that were easily concealed from the sheriff and other "law dogs". Also derringers and pepper boxes (etc) that were small and easily concealable. Knives, walking cane guns and swords etc etc.

Where there's a will, there's a way

BigStick

I am not dissagreeing with that statement either, I just prefer to stay out of sittuations where it is a concern. I don't have to go to the casino, or if I choose to, I can make a point to be extra aware so it does not become an issue. I just like having as much info as possible. Knowledge can be a weapon and tool as well.

SneakySir

You cannot carry at all in any casino that serves alcohol for the obvious reason that you cannot carry in a liquor serving establishment. That's the RCW that the doors quote.

Skinny

In Oregon you can carry in places that serve alcohol. One thing I love about the hippies here

svytlana

you can carry in places that serve liquor on washington as long as it's not age restricted.

rcw 9.41.300 part d

as long as it's not age restricted over 21 only. it's ok to go into a resturant etc that serves liquor aslong as it's not age restricted, ie.. not the bar

SneakySir

Tulalip is 21 and over, you cannot carry. I've seen what happens if you do.

koorbloh

are you going to share with the rest of the class what happens?

JuiceBox

you get to ride the totem pole

SneakySir

4 Tribal Officers and 2 County Deputies come in with weapons drawn and you learn quickly to follow instructions, then, you go to jail, regardless of your reason/excuse. ZERO Tolerance!

Skinny

Was it the reservation jail?

SnackCracker

Indian reservations are NOT under the laws of the state. Reservations are treated as their own "nation" and a CHL (OR) or CPL (WA) does NOT give you any right to carry a firearm on a reservation. It is up to the tribe whether to allow you to carry or not while on the reservation. The ONLY provision where you are allowed to carry is in your vehicle while on a main highway or thoroughfare.

If you are caught carrying in a casino, you will end up in jail - VERY ugly. If you are caught carrying on a reservation, but anywhere other than a casino, you will probably still end up in jail, or at minimum you will be detained and escorted to the "border" of the reservation. The Reservations have their OWN LAWS, OWN JAIL, AND OWN POLICE.

My wife is a tribal member of the Confederated Tribes Of the Chehalis (Lucky Eagle Casino in Rochester). The tribe also incorporated the land along I-5 as tribal property/reservation land (The Great Wolf Lodge etc....). I'm not sure how they handle CPL holders and CCW at the lodge or in portion of tribal land.

I agree - concealed means concealed... but accidentally printing or your shirt rides up - could make a VERY complicated and expensive mistake. They don't take kindly to "round eyes" breaking the law on the reservation.

koorbloh

least rad thing I've read all weekend.

bummer.

SneakySir

Washington is one of 5 states that maintains certain rights over tribes that others do not. Thus, I think CWP still apply, at least, that's the impression I get from Tribal Officers.

GregM

I've only been in one Indian Casino once, and that was to see Jonny Lang

This is a good reason not to spend money there

hubers454

carrying firearms on tribal land is reserved for tribal members only,,, of the specific tribe, Spokane-Spokane not Spokane-Kalisbel if you get my meaning ,,,, it has been that way forever. non tribal property owners are kinda in the gray area. I have heard that they are giving hunting/fishing permits in some areas for non members, I wouldnt want to get handed over from the tribal police to the FBI, federal prison wouldnt be very fun

Booga

From what I understand it's up to the tribal leadership. Get permission and you're golden. (standard IANAL disclaimer)

Wistrick

Grant Asher who is a PI that taught my CC class a few weeks back said this...Umatilla Res he would call and check on rules, but he stated for a fact that you don't wanna get caught with a weapon on the Yakima Res...

He didn't comment further....

Dan