Is the future of gun control irrelevant? 3D printers = build your own gun

sunofnun · 08-01-2012, 07:07 AM

Hmmmm... interesting read..

3D Printing to End Gun Control? - Gun News at Guns.com

kind of a cool notion.. printing up your own parts.. I'd worry a bit about the barrels! lol

koorbloh · 08-01-2012, 11:41 AM

from what I've seen on of the tech, I'd be worried about barrels and high-impact/pressure areas too...but...

the article says "if you have something that prints 3d, you can print in 3d", he just found a way to spin it to get more hits.

making parts is, and will still be illegal, and possible, regardless of whether 3d printers are involved.

I can go to home-depot and buy everything I need to make moonshine, but that doesn't make liquor laws irrelevant.

XDmFanatic · 08-01-2012, 08:38 PM

...or one can buy an inkjet printer and print currency, but that is considered counterfeiting. Because one has the means, doesn't make it legal or moral.

sunofnun · 08-01-2012, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by XDmFanatic

...or one can buy an inkjet printer and print currency, but that is considered counterfeiting. Because one has the means, doesn't make it legal or moral.

well.. I think the point is the 'bad guys' who are already breaking the law, and acting immoral can now build guns on the fly..

so gun control as it stands would become even more obsolete.

svytlana · 08-02-2012, 02:21 PM

you guys need to re read the laws. its very ok to make all the guns you want. just cant sell/distribute them without propper paper work. lots of people make ar's and ak's, along with a bunch of old soviet era stuff you buy in kit form.

richardlpalmer · 08-02-2012, 10:44 PM

This country has such deep roots in engineering, milling and manufacturing. I don't ever see a point where guns aren't being made...

koorbloh · 08-03-2012, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by svytlana

you guys need to re read the laws. its very ok to make all the guns you want. just cant sell/distribute them without propper paper work. lots of people make ar's and ak's, along with a bunch of old soviet era stuff you buy in kit form.

umm...right.

you know those "kits" are parts kits missing the parts that actually make something legally a gun, ya? there are very specific parts that make each gun a gun, and must be registered.

sunofnun · 08-03-2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by koorbloh

umm...right.

you know those "kits" are parts kits missing the parts that actually make something legally a gun, ya? there are very specific parts that make each gun a gun, and must be registered.

True.. I've built several.. the recievers are always considered "the gun" and registered and sold as such.

With a 3D printer if I were so inclined I could make my own plastic receiver and build the rest of the gun with unregistered parts and have a firearm which was not registered nor regulated in any way..

LINK -> Print Your Own AR-15 Receiver at Home, Annoy Cory Doctorow and the Brady Bunch | The Truth About GunsThe Truth About Guns

qballrail · 08-03-2012, 11:38 AM

3D gun kits... sounds like an expensive startup..

sunofnun · 10-11-2012, 08:44 AM

BUMP!!!!!!!!!!!

Proof positive:

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Robert Gillock - Web News Editor-An American gunsmith has become the first person to construct and shoot a pistol partly made out of plastic, 3D-printed parts. The creator, user HaveBlue from the AR-15 forum, has reportedly fired 200 rounds with his part-plastic pistol without any sign of wear and tear. HaveBlue’s custom creation is a .22-caliber pistol, formed from a 3D-printed AR-15 (M16) lower receiver, and a normal, commercial upper. In other words, the main body of the gun is plastic, while the chamber — where the bullets are actually struck — is solid metal.
The lower receiver was created using a fairly old school Stratasys 3D printer, using a normal plastic resin. HaveBlue estimates that it cost around $30 of resin to create the lower receiver, but “Makerbots and the other low cost printers exploding onto the market would bring the cost down to perhaps $10.” Commercial, off-the-shelf assault rifle lower receivers are a lot more expensive. If you want to print your own AR-15 lower receiver, HaveBlue has uploaded the schematic to Thingiverse.

richardlpalmer · 10-11-2012, 10:19 AM

Now to find a decent printer on the cheap.

We were just reading about this and the legal implications -- one printer manufacturer filed suit against a user of their product who posted a video of him printing a gun part. The dude's printer, material & items were seized under warrant. It's one of (if not the) first case of its kind.

I'll see if I can find the story.

sunofnun · 10-11-2012, 05:10 PM

that's an interesting angle! that would be funny if there were legal stipulations around which things you could "3D print"

Brianaintright · 10-11-2012, 07:30 PM

I need one of these things to make dash parts for my defender. Screw guns, I need moldings and vents

sunofnun · 10-12-2012, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianaintright

I need one of these things to make dash parts for my defender. Screw guns, I need moldings and vents

dude.. you should start a thread. I want to see all the pics!!! I love defenders.

richardlpalmer · 10-12-2012, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by sunofnun

dude.. you should start a thread. I want to see all the pics!!! I love defenders.

This!

BTW, was talking to Jared/Alan last night and they were saying they'd had a throttle body made but it broke (sounds like it was hitting the tank of the bike in addition to the vibrations).

From what I've gathered, they're getting better at the durability (there is talk of carbon fiber-like material being next).

Mark W · 01-16-2013, 06:37 PM

Last I heard a 3D printer was north of 10K and the ones capable of doing the really complicated work like a receiver were north of 50K

How many receivers you gonna make yourself to cover that?

Brianaintright · 01-16-2013, 07:33 PM

Magazines.....it's all about magazines

sunofnun · 01-16-2013, 09:29 PM

hey if it only shoots 7 rounds its safe!!!!!!

Mark W · 01-16-2013, 10:59 PM

But Brian Plastic Mags won't fit in any of my guns.

Brianaintright · 01-17-2013, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark W

But Brian Plastic Mags won't fit in any of my guns.

The buy different guns

sig40shooter · 01-17-2013, 05:48 AM

7 round rule is silly... So is it illegal in NY to carry two 7 rnd mags??? That would after all be 14 rnds. I guess as long as you don't tape them together. He he he...

08-01-2012, 07:07 AM	#1
sunofnun Moderator Joined: Jan 2009 From: s. greenlake bitch Posts: 1,252	Is the future of gun control irrelevant? 3D printers = build your own gun Hmmmm... interesting read.. 3D Printing to End Gun Control? - Gun News at Guns.com kind of a cool notion.. printing up your own parts.. I'd worry a bit about the barrels! lol

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08-01-2012, 11:41 AM	#2
koorbloh Sharpshooter Joined: Jan 2009 From: Lynnwood, WA Posts: 755	from what I've seen on of the tech, I'd be worried about barrels and high-impact/pressure areas too...but... the article says "if you have something that prints 3d, you can print in 3d", he just found a way to spin it to get more hits. making parts is, and will still be illegal, and possible, regardless of whether 3d printers are involved. I can go to home-depot and buy everything I need to make moonshine, but that doesn't make liquor laws irrelevant.

08-01-2012, 08:38 PM	#3
XDmFanatic Gunslinger Joined: Jun 2011 From: W. Richland, WA Posts: 10	...or one can buy an inkjet printer and print currency, but that is considered counterfeiting. Because one has the means, doesn't make it legal or moral.

08-02-2012, 02:21 PM	#5
svytlana Gunslinger Joined: Apr 2009 From: spokane Posts: 47	you guys need to re read the laws. its very ok to make all the guns you want. just cant sell/distribute them without propper paper work. lots of people make ar's and ak's, along with a bunch of old soviet era stuff you buy in kit form.

08-02-2012, 10:44 PM	#6
richardlpalmer Sniper Joined: Jan 2009 From: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,103	This country has such deep roots in engineering, milling and manufacturing. I don't ever see a point where guns aren't being made...

08-03-2012, 11:38 AM	#9
qballrail Rifleman Joined: Aug 2011 From: South Puget Sound Posts: 220	3D gun kits... sounds like an expensive startup..

10-11-2012, 10:19 AM	#11
richardlpalmer Sniper Joined: Jan 2009 From: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,103	Now to find a decent printer on the cheap. We were just reading about this and the legal implications -- one printer manufacturer filed suit against a user of their product who posted a video of him printing a gun part. The dude's printer, material & items were seized under warrant. It's one of (if not the) first case of its kind. I'll see if I can find the story.

10-11-2012, 05:10 PM	#12
sunofnun Moderator Joined: Jan 2009 From: s. greenlake bitch Posts: 1,252	that's an interesting angle! that would be funny if there were legal stipulations around which things you could "3D print"

10-11-2012, 07:30 PM	#13
Brianaintright Marksman Joined: Nov 2009 From: WA Posts: 384	I need one of these things to make dash parts for my defender. Screw guns, I need moldings and vents

01-16-2013, 06:37 PM	#16
Mark W Gunslinger Joined: Jan 2013 From: Silverton, OR Posts: 64	Last I heard a 3D printer was north of 10K and the ones capable of doing the really complicated work like a receiver were north of 50K How many receivers you gonna make yourself to cover that?

01-16-2013, 07:33 PM	#17
Brianaintright Marksman Joined: Nov 2009 From: WA Posts: 384	Magazines.....it's all about magazines

01-16-2013, 09:29 PM	#18
sunofnun Moderator Joined: Jan 2009 From: s. greenlake bitch Posts: 1,252	hey if it only shoots 7 rounds its safe!!!!!!

01-16-2013, 10:59 PM	#19
Mark W Gunslinger Joined: Jan 2013 From: Silverton, OR Posts: 64	But Brian Plastic Mags won't fit in any of my guns.

01-17-2013, 05:48 AM	#21
sig40shooter Gunslinger Joined: Mar 2011 From: Tahuya, WA Posts: 22	7 round rule is silly... So is it illegal in NY to carry two 7 rnd mags??? That would after all be 14 rnds. I guess as long as you don't tape them together. He he he...