TulAmmo .223 500rd spam cans at Walmart.

Jan 2009
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I am just wondering if anyone has seen any of these 500rd .223 spam cans of TulAmmo showing up at Walmart anywhere in the PNW? I guess they have been showing up at several Wallyworld stores in the south & was wondering if any has made it up here? Not the best ammo by far, but beggars can't be choosers these days.

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Jan 2009
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Until it wobbles down the barrel because your shits all shot out. All depends on how much you shoot.
From what I saw in their testing, you're pretty much talking about the end of a barrel's life expectancy before seeing any appreciable difference, though. And that's shooting 10,000 of JUST steel core in a pretty extreme way.

This section seems applicable, but like you said, it's all about how much you shoot and ultimately your preferences...

To others, the increased cost of brass cased ammunition isn’t worth it – after all, the Wolf and Brown Bear ammo had very few malfunctions, all things considered. Plus, let’s be honest – in all likelihood, most people will never shoot 10,000 rounds through their AR-15. As a company we would be excited if they did, but the use these rifles saw was far beyond what is likely to be encountered in the real world. So, for many consumers, this test will be justification that buying steel cased ammunition is a sensible decision. In many cases, it is.

Although ammunition prices are volatile, the prices of brass and steel remain similar to one another – that is, brass is generally more expensive. We created a chart comparing the cost over time of each type, including ammunition and spare parts replacement costs.

The difference in price between brass and steel cased (more specifically, copper jacketed and bimetal jacketed) ammunition means that you’ll have plenty of savings with which to buy new barrels – even if you shoot so fast that you replace them every 4,000 rounds. For this chart, brass ammunition was calculated at $130 per thousand higher than steel and replacement barrels at $250 apiece.

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To me the biggest thing is where I can shoot the stuff. I can't shoot steel core ammo at an indoor range, while outdoor ranges don't seem to care. As I primarily shoot indoors I have to have lead core...
 
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The only thing I don't like is the case. Steel vs Brass seems like could cause increased wear? As far as accuracy, I shoot Federal gold match 69 grain Sierra. (cost prohibitive for practice) I have loaded clips with random assortment of ammo with out looking which was what. (including reloads) Then fired 100-200-300 meters. Couldn't tell the difference, ( Pe Ell Sportsman Club has steel targets unless you hang paper) If it goes ding or moves I'm happy, but mine isn't an off the shelf weapon; And I don't shoot competition...AJ
 
Jan 2009
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Not bashing steel case, it has its place but here is some info....

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/#erosion
Seems like the jacket would have more to do with erosion than the case, no?
I read that entire article once or twice, and I still don't see how the casing material can cause barrel erosion. Sure, the casing might be a little harder on the extractor, but the bi-metal jacket would seem to have more effect on erosion. Which leads to the logical next theory - that even brass-cased ammo can/could have really destructive barrel erosion if the bullets weren't copper-jacketed (if such a thing even exists). Conversely, I don't know if steel-cased ammo can be found with copper jacketed bullets.
 
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I think there's a correlation between steel cased and steel core that isn't clearly defined. If I'm correct, all of the steel cased stuff also happens to have steel core bullets...
 
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I think there's a correlation between steel cased and steel core that isn't clearly defined. If I'm correct, all of the steel cased stuff also happens to have steel core bullets...

If the steel core has a copper jacket then I'm not understanding why it will tear your barrel up, as the copper jacket is what's scuffing down the bore.

I can see steel jacketed ammo tearing the crap out of your rifling though.
 
Jan 2009
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I think there's a correlation between steel cased and steel core that isn't clearly defined. If I'm correct, all of the steel cased stuff also happens to have steel core bullets...
Maybe, but I think you're confusing jackets and cores. Steel core usually indicates a "penetration" round (the jacket can be either copper or bi-metal, the inside of the jacket is still largely lead, but with a steel or tungsten rod inside for increased hard surface penetration) My point was regarding the bi-metal jacket. Just like the case has very little to do with barrel erosion, I also doubt the core has anything to do with barrel erosion. The jacket is the only thing that touches the barrel (and spent gasses).

It stands to reason that a jacket made of a harder metal (like a steel/copper compound) will wear out a barrel faster than a pure copper jacket.
 
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Hey, get off my confusion, pal!

But seriously, I'm not actually confused -- misinformed possibly, but not confused. What I've been taught (subject to change) is that the TulAmmo and other steel core/steel cased (cheap stuff) isn't jacketed like your typical Remington stuff is, but rather "coated". Its like an electroplating compared to an actual jacket -- very thin. So the hardness of the underlying steel does actually affect it.
 
Jan 2009
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Hey, get off my confusion, pal!

But seriously, I'm not actually confused -- misinformed possibly, but not confused. What I've been taught (subject to change) is that the TulAmmo and other steel core/steel cased (cheap stuff) isn't jacketed like your typical Remington stuff is, but rather "coated". Its like an electroplating compared to an actual jacket -- very thin. So the hardness of the underlying steel does actually affect it.
If it does have a steel core, that core is surrounded by lead. So it's a moot point. The jacket is what matters to your barrel, not the core. A shooting range cares about the core mostly (possibly the jacket too), because it'll do the most damage to their backstops.

This outta help:
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If it does have a steel core, that core is surrounded by lead. So it's a moot point. The jacket is what matters to your barrel, not the core. A shooting range cares about the core mostly (possibly the jacket too), because it'll do the most damage to their backstops.

This outta help:
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According to that picture, it has a STEEL JACKET. That's the part up for discussion in regards to barrel wear and tear and the thinness of the electroplate.

According to what I've read, steel jackets are bad for the barrel. True, I've read the the Copper electroplate should be enough to keep things nice in there but no personal experience.
 
Jan 2009
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According to that picture, it has a STEEL JACKET. That's the part up for discussion in regards to barrel wear and tear and the thinness of the electroplate.

According to what I've read, steel jackets are bad for the barrel. True, I've read the the Copper electroplate should be enough to keep things nice in there but no personal experience.
Precisely my point. The cross-section doesn't really change whether the jacket is copper or steel, so the image applies to either case. I was just trying to set Richard straight since core material was specifically brought up, and has little bearing on the context of the discussion.


ETA: Tula is NOT steel core ammo by the way.
 
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Precisely my point. The cross-section doesn't really change whether the jacket is copper or steel, so the image applies to either case. I was just trying to set Richard straight since core material was specifically brought up, and has little bearing on the context of the discussion.

Gotcha. Yeah, core material has no bearing on the jacket or other parts. However, I will agree that if most ranges catch you using it they will NOT be happy.

The dirt on the far end of my range doesn't really give two shits though. :lol:
 
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According to that picture, it has a STEEL JACKET. That's the part up for discussion in regards to barrel wear and tear and the thinness of the electroplate.

According to what I've read, steel jackets are bad for the barrel. True, I've read the the Copper electroplate should be enough to keep things nice in there but no personal experience.

Well, I've been educated on the core material and the coating around it, but the point I was really trying to make was the jacket being electroplated steel -- not thick like you'd normally think.
 
Jan 2009
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Wow! This went off track!

Bi-Metal, refers to the jacket. Meaning it isn't just a copper jacket, it is a combinations of copper & at least one other metal, most commonly steel. Yes it does eat up barrels quicker then straight copper jacketed bullets as stated in the Lucky Gunner article, but as also stated in that write up the cost savings over time are more then enough to replace most barrels several times.
 
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