Hello from another Seattle kid.

Jun 2011
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Seattle, WA
Hello Everyone.
First off, let me say I'm a city kid who never grew up around firearms.

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Dec 2009
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Graham, Wa
Wow. I'd love to take someone under my wing and show them the gun world, but I just don't get the impression that that's what you're really after.

Also, as to your experiences with guns. Sounds like the first was a great example of gang violence that has nothing to do with the "gun world" that you want to learn about. Second example is tragic, but underscores what happens when society disarms women "for their own safety". You want to learn about "gun culture", you're going about it the wrong way.

-Prevention of gun violence is a red herring. How many fatal car accidents occur in the US vs gun deaths? Why do we give people multiple chances at DUIs but posession of marijuana or having a bad argument with your ex will ban you for life from owning firearms?
-Why does the prevention of gun violence always involve confiscation or reduction of rights? Remember the assault weapon ban? You know what the odds are of dying by an "assault rifle"? I did the math a few years ago using the CDCs info on deaths by weapons types. The odds of dying from multiple lightning strikes is about 3 times more likely than dying from a semi auto, military rifle that can use a high capacity magazine. So why is the government focusing on assault rifles? Shouldn't there be hundreds of millions of dollars a year spent on the prevention of lightning strikes?
-What kind of guns do I own and why did I buy them? There's 2 ways to find out what kind of guns I own. One involves being invited to my home, the other involves some unpleasantness. Why do I own guns? Because protecting my family is my god given and constitutional right. I also own guns because I enjoy shooting, I hunt, and because i'm a history buff. I don't need permission, and I don't need the governments involvement. God gave me permission to be a free man, the constitution was written to acknowledge that, and i'll be good and god damned if anyones going to change that.
-What's a reasonable choice for a civilian? You're either very clever, or very naive. A reasonable choice for a firearm for protection is probably on the same level of what car or health insurance you buy. You get the best you can afford, or you pay the price when the time comes that you need it.
-What's the process for buying a gun at a gunshow or pawnshop? Right.. I think you already know the answer, you're just looking for juicy quotes. I'm not giving them to you. I will meet you at a gun show though. That way you can see how easy it is to buy a gun at one.
 
Jun 2011
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Seattle, WA
As far as the 'what happens when society disarms women "for their own safety"' bit is concerned, I have no disagreements. Absolutely. Society seems to imply that femininity somehow is synonymous with frailty. (Which on a personal note I find completely unattractive.)

So yeah, I am extremely naive about guns, gun culture and acts of gun violence.
But I'm trying not to group them together here. I'm just trying to learn about what I don't know.
This isn't **** a kid learns in school so I figure at the risk of sounding ignorant, I'll ask some questions. I don't know people who've grown up with guns and what that means to them. Moreover, what laws obstruct their constitutional rights and safety. I'm trying to draw a line between bullshit Bradey campaign paranoia- and what really needs to happen in order to disarm and prevent future wackjobs like Jared Loughner, Seung-Hui Cho as well as children who find and take a gun to school who are oblivious to the consequences. I get the statistic rarity but this **** still happens. So what needs to happen to prevent these things? That's the discussion I'm searching for.

I agree with you about the Prevention of gun violence being a red herring.
The assault rifles point you make is great and I agree with you that whole issue is completely silly. I really don't see why a semi-auto riffle is any more or less dangerous than most modern shotguns or pistols. As I understand it, the whole paranoia draws from illegal modifications of fire control mechanisms- and quite frankly i think Brady/zero-tolerance folks just "think they are scary." Well no ****. They think all guns are scary because they never took the time to understand them or the people that use them for self defense. Meanwhile a zero-tolerance policy is kind of like sticking a sing on schools, business, homes and people that reads "disarmed for criminal convenience."

Furthermore, It's damned impossible for someone like me to find a good discussion on the possible banishment of large capacity magazines. What are the pros and cons for somebody who just wants to protect his home and family vs some asshat like Jared Loughner who mods a glock19 for the purpose of shooting up a crowd with a 30-round mag? As I understand it, a large mag worked to his disadvantage as he was jumped while fumbling for a new one.
Let's talk about that.

Cheers.
 
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Dec 2009
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Graham, Wa
What do guns mean to me?
-Guns were a part of growing up. I went deer hunting with my dad from about 10 years old on. I didn't have a gun, but I walked in the woods with him and learned how to walk silently, how to track an animal, how to stalk, how to use the wind to my advantage. I learned how to sit quietly in a deer stand or blind for hours on end, ignoring the cold, watching for deer. I learned how to control my breathing and my heart, point a gun at a deer, and maybe pull the trigger. I also learned that hunting isn't about pulling the trigger. Sometimes it's about not shooting, or deciding that the risk of wounding an animal with less than a clean shot is cruel and despicable. I learned to follow a blood trail, and I can still remember what it felt like to find that deer for the first time. It was a mixture of excitement, respect for how difficult a crafty deer can make a hunt, and a little bit of sadness. But I was also grateful, because my family was poor and we needed the meat, and even at 12, I knew how important that was. So as a kid, guns were an introduction to making adult decisions, and about the responsibility that comes with them. My grandfather gave me that gun I shot my first deer with, right after that hunt at 12. It was a Stevens Savage bolt action .410 with a smooth bore, bought from the Sears catalog in the 50's. I still have that gun, and I hope someday I can teach my son to hunt with it. I kept it in a rack in my bedroom from then on. I even had some shells for it in the rack. My dad trusted me with it, and I respected that.
-I've always been a history buff. I was collecting books from about 7 or 8 years old on the civil war, medieval times, the world wars, etc. I started collecting military arms at about 15 when I bought a German bayonet from WW1 at a flea market. It made the past real to hold a piece of it in my hand, especially something as profound as a weapon designed to kill people like my great grandparents. From there it was collecting Soviet weapons from WW1 and 2 because they are relatively cheap. That morphed into more expensive weapons, and now i'm really proud of my collection. I own bolt action rifles from the late 1890s, and more modern stuff like AK-47s and AR-15s. Do I want to hole up in the woods and wait for the stealth helicopters? Not at all. But these weapons are all pieces of history, and not evil in themselves. My WW2 Nazi rifle is no more or less evil than the revolver that I own that I know someone commited suicide with. Like you said, just tools. Design doesn't change purpose, and the purpose of a gun is to propel a projectile. That's it.

How to disarm people like Houghner and that asian kid? Easy. Enforce the laws that we already have. The Virginia tech shooting never should have happened, but somehow, the right people weren't notified that he had been deemed unstable. Those people should be held accountable. As far as Jared whats his name, that's just tough. My gut tells me that someone in his life should have known how unstable he was, but thats as far as it can go. No one but Jared himself was responsible. That's just a consequence of living in a free society. Tragic, but I don't think there's an easy answer to that.

As far as modifying weapons to fire full auto, I think that sort of thing happens far less than you think. It looks good on tv, but it's generally not nearly as easy as people think. It's also not very reliable in many cases, and often unsafe.
 
Dec 2009
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Graham, Wa
-The Brady campaign does what they do for one reason. Money.

-High capacity magazines. Jared whats his name didn't have to modify anything for his glock to accept or use a 30 rd mag. You can buy them on the internet and they're perfectly legal. This is also a red herring. If he'd had a 10 rd mag, and 10 people had been shot before reloading, that still would have been too many. The simple fact of the matter is that for the 3 mags that he used during that tragedy, there are hundreds of thousands of high cap mags that weren't used to facilitate a mass murder. As a member of a free society, I am judged by my actions, not anyone elses. I have probably 25 high cap mags in my house, and have had them for years. I've never shot anyone with them, so why should my freedoms be impinged because of a "statistical anomaly"?
 
Jun 2011
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Seattle, WA
You make some fine points. I appreciate it.
I have nothing against one type of weapon, accessory or another. Just people who use them to rob other people of their lives.
 
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