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Limitless 02-07-2013 10:42 AM

Silencers
 
Is anyone buying silencers here?

RK600 02-07-2013 12:55 PM

No, but you might have luck selling suppressors.

thejrod 02-07-2013 12:59 PM

Even the manufacturers refer to their products as silencers.

Silencers

Derr....

RK600 02-07-2013 01:03 PM

No such thing as a silencer....term was invented in Hollywood. Everyone calls them that now because of the movies though. Fun fact!!

Suppressors Vs Silencers

thejrod 02-07-2013 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RK600 (Post 25379)
No such thing as a silencer....term was invented in Hollywood. Everyone calls them that now because of the movies though. Fun fact!!

Suppressors Vs Silencers

Keep saying that all you want... :nana:

The actual definition of either term is factually incorrect when referring to the devices' actual performance.

A suppressor doesn't actually suppress the sound of a firearm, nor does it actually silence a firearm.

So calling it a suppressor is equally incorrect.


suppress
Forcibly put an end to.
Prevent the development, action, or expression of (a feeling, impulse, idea, etc.).

RK600 02-07-2013 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thejrod (Post 25383)
Keep saying that all you want... :nana:

The actual definition of either term is factually incorrect when referring to the devices' actual performance.

A suppressor doesn't actually suppress the sound of a firearm, nor does it actually silence a firearm.

So calling it a suppressor is equally incorrect.


suppress
Forcibly put an end to.
Prevent the development, action, or expression of (a feeling, impulse, idea, etc.).

Lol. You looked up suppress, not suppressor. Also, if you head to Merriam Webster instead of the google abreviated version, it applies.

And actually, the root of the word still applies as you are preventing an action....the sound coming out of your barrel. :nana:

richardlpalmer 02-07-2013 02:54 PM

Wow. Really?

RK600 02-07-2013 02:56 PM

Of course! I'm out of town and bored.

sunofnun 02-07-2013 03:26 PM

oh jeezus..


it's a magazine not a clip you bitches...

sunofnun 02-07-2013 03:27 PM

back on topic..

I'm thinking about getting one in .22 and another in .223

RK600 02-07-2013 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sunofnun (Post 25396)
back on topic..

I'm thinking about getting one in .22 and another in .223

Can you have a barrel threaded for one or do you have to get a whole new barrel?

sunofnun 02-07-2013 03:47 PM

you can have a barrel threaded depending on the gun and the barrel?

richardlpalmer 02-07-2013 04:56 PM

I was looking at getting one for the Storm that would also work on a pistol. I might have to get another Storm...

You can get guns with barrels that are already threaded...

thejrod 02-07-2013 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by richardlpalmer (Post 25387)
Wow. Really?

It's basically grammar nazis...on the internet... and you're surprised? :grin: :banghead:
The definitions of the word proves my point. You're not suppressing the sound, you're reducing it. Perhaps muffler is a more accurate term if someone wants to be a term-nazi.

Silencer, suppressor.... call it what ya want, no reason to bust balls. When the industry uses the terms interchangeably, I think it's probably fine. :ninja:

RK600 02-07-2013 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sunofnun (Post 25399)
you can have a barrel threaded depending on the gun and the barrel?

I'll have to let Google answer this one.

thejrod 02-07-2013 05:53 PM

Many barrels can be threaded, just be careful of who you have do it, and make sure they know its for a suppressor (not a flash hider). If heard stories about off center threading causing baffle strikes.

sunofnun 02-07-2013 06:24 PM

Yeah...

If your getting your barrel threaded I'd get a flash hider that allows the supressor to be attached.. Vs attaching directly to the barrel.

You can put the same flash hider on multiple guns

sunofnun 02-07-2013 06:59 PM

gemtech makes a killer setup

http://img01.militaryblog.jp/usr/ar1..._gemtech_2.JPG

Limitless 02-07-2013 08:01 PM

I am getting in the business of selling. I call them silencers because that is what the guy who invented it called it. I have some aac and liberty inbound and a few gemtech in .22 in stock. I don't want to be the guy on the other side of the counter overcharging everyone and giving poor customer service. I want to stand with you as a group. Let's talk about what the best silencer is. Maybe we can do some group buys.

sunofnun 02-07-2013 08:15 PM

COOL!

what does the timeline for the paperwork look like these days, and have you sold to anyone in WA?

Brianaintright 02-07-2013 08:19 PM

I have a few cans, my M4-2K was replaced by AAC with a SDN6 but now the wait begins again....6-8 months is the estimate.

Limitless 02-07-2013 08:26 PM

What was wrong with the m4-2k

Brianaintright 02-07-2013 08:32 PM

I shot it too much.....and had a few baffle strikes.....and an end cap strike......

I'd had it installed on my commando and it gets real hot running full auto....you have to make sure your FH is installed correctly with enough rockset to hold it and mine was not. Luckily they took pity on me and replaced it under warranty but they could have told me to stuff it. That's why I'm pretty loyal to AAC. I have some gemtech's too and they are good cans but AAC has really done right by me so I'll keep buying their products.

Limitless 02-07-2013 08:40 PM

I have the G5 and have never had problems. I plan to put an m4-2k on an post m16. What do you have in gemtech that you Like?

Brianaintright 02-07-2013 09:01 PM

Multi-Mount and a Pirahna....the Pirahna is pinned on an 11.5" AR and to be honest, I haven't shot it too much but the Multi-Mount is the heat. I also have a gen 1 blackside. its OK, small package and it's quiet, but it definately likes heavier bullets. New ones have the neilson device and are more reliable....I may send it back and have it retrofitted.

richardlpalmer 02-08-2013 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Limitless (Post 25413)
I am getting in the business of selling. I call them silencers because that is what the guy who invented it called it. I have some aac and liberty inbound and a few gemtech in .22 in stock. I don't want to be the guy on the other side of the counter overcharging everyone and giving poor customer service. I want to stand with you as a group. Let's talk about what the best silencer is. Maybe we can do some group buys.

I like this idea. I was thinking about an integral on on a 22. If my understanding is correct, the barrel could be shortened prior to the suppressor being installed. Then the overall package could still be tacti-cool...

Brianaintright 02-08-2013 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by richardlpalmer (Post 25430)
I like this idea. I was thinking about an integral on on a 22. If my understanding is correct, the barrel could be shortened prior to the suppressor being installed. Then the overall package could still be tacti-cool...

Blind pinning is not the best. Makes it difficult to service the can. A .22 can will need to be cleaned to stay effective

Limitless 02-08-2013 06:33 AM

Sorry sunofnun I was using my phone and did not see your replay. I can’t sell directly to WA but if you have an NFA dealer that can do a transfer we can work out a deal.

I have been flirting with the idea of pining a silencer. I have a YHM mite that would work for .22 as the whole stack is one piece that unscrews out the front. I have really been thinking about the zk-22 stock and what I could come up with on that to make it as short as possible without doing an sbr

thejrod 02-08-2013 08:28 AM

I sure would love an Evo 9.

Of course if I got one of those, I'd have to build a 9mm AR to go with it.

Limitless 02-08-2013 09:02 AM

Why the Evo 9 over the Ti-Tant

thejrod 02-08-2013 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limitless (Post 25442)
Why the Evo 9 over the Ti-Tant

$200 is why. That covers the tax stamp.

richardlpalmer 02-08-2013 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianaintright (Post 25432)
Blind pinning is not the best. Makes it difficult to service the can. A .22 can will need to be cleaned to stay effective

Having only ever used one, but not owned, how difficult is it to clean?
Quote:

Originally Posted by Limitless (Post 25435)
I have been flirting with the idea of pining a silencer. I have a YHM mite that would work for .22 as the whole stack is one piece that unscrews out the front. I have really been thinking about the zk-22 stock and what I could come up with on that to make it as short as possible without doing an sbr

That's what I'm talking about above. Mine SHOULD arrive this week or next week (ordered it last May). I've seen them with integrally mounted suppressors (is "pinned" the correct term here?)

thejrod 02-08-2013 11:05 AM

Integral may not be the correct term (integral to the barrel, ala MP5SD). You just need a permanently attached can to make a short barrel legal length.

Limitless 02-08-2013 11:38 AM

Yes pinned is what I meant. I have some zk-22’s on the way but won’t see them for at least 12 weeks.

Limitless 02-08-2013 12:51 PM

I have also wanted to put together some kind of layaway plan. Back when I first started buying silencers I wish I could have put half down to get paperwork started and then the other half in like the next 3 months. I would have bought twice as many silencers.

richardlpalmer 02-08-2013 01:38 PM

Not a bad idea.

chameleon 02-08-2013 07:25 PM

I own a yhm phantom for my AR and love it. They come with a muzzle break that threads on to your barrel and is also the adapter for the suppressor. Great items to own and once you have one you won't ever want to shoot un-suppressed again.

richardlpalmer 02-08-2013 10:45 PM

I might have to see a picture/video of this system as I'm not getting it. How does the muzzle break work in concert with the suppressor?

Alanjtc73n 02-08-2013 11:32 PM

There are different mounting systems available for suppressors.

Traditional is a standard screw onto a threaded barrel.

Proprietary is specific to certain suppress and/or companies. A example is an AAC 51t muzzle device (can be muzzle brake or flash hider or both). When the suppressor is not attached via the muzzle device, the device is free to act as a muzzle brake or flash hider or both. Wen the suppressor is attached, the muzzle device is now inside the suppressor. The suppressor would then negate the effect of the muzzle device.

richardlpalmer 02-08-2013 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alanjtc73n (Post 25471)
There are different mounting systems available for suppressors.

Traditional is a standard screw onto a threaded barrel.

Proprietary is specific to certain suppress and/or companies. A example is an AAC 51t muzzle device (can be muzzle brake or flash hider or both). When the suppressor is not attached via the muzzle device, the device is free to act as a muzzle brake or flash hider or both. Wen the suppressor is attached, the muzzle device is now inside the suppressor. The suppressor would then negate the effect of the muzzle device.

Ahhh, okay. So it ends up inside the suppressor with some sort of retention system. Makes sense now.


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