Any opinions on Crimson Trace?

JayD1981 · 02-24-2010, 10:26 AM

I'm looking at possible putting the crimson traser laser guards on my Ruger LCP and S&W Sigma. Anyone have any feedback on these lasers?

hlb3 · 02-24-2010, 07:02 PM

They are well built and easy to use. They are almost 100% useless outside if its a bright sunny day, but hopefully you wouldn't need any sort of aiming device to help hit your target on a bright sunny day though.

Booga · 02-24-2010, 09:43 PM

I've heard it that most "social firearm interactions" happen well after dusk.
I like green lasers, but the bulk is considerable. Red works for most people in most situations.

I've taken people to the range to practice with my Walther and it has a red laser on it. I had them practice without the laser on, then turned the laser on. They were about twice as accurate with the laser than without it.

Is this proof that a laser works? No, but it does show that it works for some people. Try it and see if it is appropriate for you.

KillermondoDude · 02-24-2010, 11:46 PM

the biggest + of a laser ive found is it shows every mistake your doing prefire
Your recoil compensating it shows
your ratcheting the wrist as you squeeze the trigger it shows

very useful tool

JayD1981 · 02-25-2010, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillermondoDude

the biggest + of a laser ive found is it shows every mistake your doing prefire
Your recoil compensating it shows
your ratcheting the wrist as you squeeze the trigger it shows

very useful tool

I hadn't even thought of that benefit. Sounds like it could be very helpful in that manner. I'm mainly looking at one for the LCP because the sights are pretty miniscule. Plus lasers are just cool, any guy that doesn't want one should go looking for his balls.

Brianaintright · 02-25-2010, 08:50 AM

We just T&E'd three units from Crimson Trace. Two wrap around units for glocks and their MVF for the carbine. All three units were well built.

During sim testing, we found the majority of our shooters found it easier to acquire the front sight than search the bad guy for the laser, especially if he's shooting back at you. The position of the emitter on the glock models is such that if you're indexing correctly, your trigger finger blocks the beam. The activation switch is in the same place as our surefire DG switches so if you normally run a light on the gun, make sure they will be compatible.

With the MVF (modular vertical foregrip) we found the light was decent but not bright enough for our purposes. The laser unit was impressive however and had the opposite result in sim testing, we were able to pick it up and engage faster than finding the reticle in the eotech or aimpoint. I think this is due to it being mounted on a more stable platform, a rifle as opposed to a handgun. The unit was programmable as well so the dot was either solid or pulsating. I like the pulse as it drew the eye faster.

I'm still not sold on lasers, they have uses in certain situations and if your gun is small, has no sight radius or you cannot find good aftermarket sights for it, then a laser might be a plus. If you have a full size gun with good sights, why make yourself dependant on a needless technology that has a predisposition to fail? Maybe I just don't have the balls to use one?

KillermondoDude · 02-25-2010, 09:37 AM

Umm cuz it looks kewl??

RoJac · 02-25-2010, 04:33 PM

Got a LG 436 on my Glock 19 Love It

JayD1981 · 02-25-2010, 04:58 PM

Thanks for the feedback on them. I went ahead and ordered both of them. Then got an email saying they are both on backorder. Well hopefully in a couple weeks I will have lasers on my main carry pistols.

migxdm · 02-27-2010, 06:01 PM

i got the crimson trace on my LCP and it completes the gun

Cody1877 · 02-28-2010, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianaintright

We just T&E'd three units from Crimson Trace. Two wrap around units for glocks and their MVF for the carbine. All three units were well built.

During sim testing, we found the majority of our shooters found it easier to acquire the front sight than search the bad guy for the laser, especially if he's shooting back at you. The position of the emitter on the glock models is such that if you're indexing correctly, your trigger finger blocks the beam. The activation switch is in the same place as our surefire DG switches so if you normally run a light on the gun, make sure they will be compatible.

With the MVF (modular vertical foregrip) we found the light was decent but not bright enough for our purposes. The laser unit was impressive however and had the opposite result in sim testing, we were able to pick it up and engage faster than finding the reticle in the eotech or aimpoint. I think this is due to it being mounted on a more stable platform, a rifle as opposed to a handgun. The unit was programmable as well so the dot was either solid or pulsating. I like the pulse as it drew the eye faster.

I'm still not sold on lasers, they have uses in certain situations and if your gun is small, has no sight radius or you cannot find good aftermarket sights for it, then a laser might be a plus. If you have a full size gun with good sights, why make yourself dependant on a needless technology that has a predisposition to fail? Maybe I just don't have the balls to use one?

Well I have had zero expierence useing lasers as I ws trained with the front sight method of target aquisition, but my girl has had a problem learning to shoot with any degree of accuracy with her 19 I make her carry at all times so I was thinkin a laser might help but if you tried them and think they are bad espicially for the glock with them being blocked with your trigger finger then I guess I wont. Thanks for saving me a few hundred. I guess Ill spend that on rounds to get her up to spec the old fashioned way.

DevilDoc · 03-01-2010, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianaintright

..I'm still not sold on lasers, they have uses in certain situations and if your gun is small, has no sight radius or you cannot find good aftermarket sights for it, then a laser might be a plus. If you have a full size gun with good sights, why make yourself dependant on a needless technology that has a predisposition to fail?...

If you are a very skilled shooter and you train with a laser, then it would be an asset. For just about anyone else, it would seem to be a distraction at the worst possible time. Buy a few hundred rounds of cheap ball instead and go practice real world scenarios. Once you can reliably engage targets with both hands, weak hand unsupported, perform rapid mag changes with either hand, etc, then start thinking about gadgets.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cody1877

Well I have had zero expierence useing lasers as I ws trained with the front sight method of target aquisition, but my girl has had a problem learning to shoot with any degree of accuracy with her 19 I make her carry at all times so I was thinkin a laser might help but if you tried them and think they are bad espicially for the glock with them being blocked with your trigger finger then I guess I wont. Thanks for saving me a few hundred. I guess Ill spend that on rounds to get her up to spec the old fashioned way.

Yup.. There aren't any shortcuts to being a better shooter. Trigger time is what matters.

Brianaintright · 03-01-2010, 06:42 PM

I've been teaching people to shoot for 15 years now and decided to take a different approach with my wife based on recent experiences. I chose not to focus on the "shooting" and moved more towards fighting with a handgun. I started with a quality airsoft glock and her first "rounds" were from the holster draws on paper targets in an old mobile home. Everything she did was from a carry rig with the fundementals second to good tactics and lots of movement.

Taking her to a square range is kinda scary now, everytime she draws, she moves and that makes people a little edgy. She's accurate, hasn't developed a flinch at all. I believe that's attributed to her not thinking about the gun going off but on all the other aspects.

So far, I'm impressed with the way things have worked out with this teaching style and the value of the airsoft guns. Manipulation of the weapon and focusing on the tactics makes the basics of shooting, which are simple, easier to do naturally.

Pointman · 06-05-2010, 01:04 AM

I have a CT for my Glock 29- here's a guy's youtube on his...

YouTube - Crimson Trace Grips Glock 29

James · 06-07-2010, 09:29 PM

I have their DVD and info package. I'll give them to you if you think you would like them
Jim

JayD1981 · 06-07-2010, 09:46 PM

I have their DVD too. This thread is kinda old, since starting it I have the CT grip on my XD 45 Compact and CT trigger guard on my LCP.

Coug91 · 06-19-2010, 03:55 PM

CT is good. I have one on a Ruger MKIII and one on a S&W 317. Both are 22's, but the intent is to use them to teach my daughter how to shoot. She came in to the man cave one evening as I was putting away some toys and was fascinated with what was in the gun safe, so I pulled out the 317 and gave her a quick lesson in how the revolver functions. then we did the same with the MKIII. She liked both and we will go shooting this summer. She is 4 and will be 5 in November. The MKIII is suppressed, so that will be where we start - so the report is less intimidating.

Pointman · 07-25-2010, 11:58 PM

CT is another quick fire item I like- in the middle of the night, half asleep, it helps acquire a intruder or put the message out to any intruder that they're dead if they don't leave the kill zone.

It's great at night when I'm sweeping the area the bike is parked.

Works great in any holster.

02-24-2010, 10:26 AM	#1
JayD1981 Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Richland, WA Posts: 105	Any opinions on Crimson Trace? I'm looking at possible putting the crimson traser laser guards on my Ruger LCP and S&W Sigma. Anyone have any feedback on these lasers?

02-24-2010, 09:43 PM	#3
Booga Gunslinger Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: WA Posts: 96	I've heard it that most "social firearm interactions" happen well after dusk. I like green lasers, but the bulk is considerable. Red works for most people in most situations. I've taken people to the range to practice with my Walther and it has a red laser on it. I had them practice without the laser on, then turned the laser on. They were about twice as accurate with the laser than without it. Is this proof that a laser works? No, but it does show that it works for some people. Try it and see if it is appropriate for you. Last edited by Booga; 02-25-2010 at 07:47 AM.

02-24-2010, 11:46 PM	#4
KillermondoDude Marksman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Washington on the wet side Posts: 312	the biggest + of a laser ive found is it shows every mistake your doing prefire Your recoil compensating it shows your ratcheting the wrist as you squeeze the trigger it shows very useful tool __________________ LIBERALS FOR GUNS: After all the Zombie Apocalypse has no political affiliation

02-25-2010, 08:50 AM	#6
Brianaintright Gunslinger Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: WA Posts: 78	We just T&E'd three units from Crimson Trace. Two wrap around units for glocks and their MVF for the carbine. All three units were well built. During sim testing, we found the majority of our shooters found it easier to acquire the front sight than search the bad guy for the laser, especially if he's shooting back at you. The position of the emitter on the glock models is such that if you're indexing correctly, your trigger finger blocks the beam. The activation switch is in the same place as our surefire DG switches so if you normally run a light on the gun, make sure they will be compatible. With the MVF (modular vertical foregrip) we found the light was decent but not bright enough for our purposes. The laser unit was impressive however and had the opposite result in sim testing, we were able to pick it up and engage faster than finding the reticle in the eotech or aimpoint. I think this is due to it being mounted on a more stable platform, a rifle as opposed to a handgun. The unit was programmable as well so the dot was either solid or pulsating. I like the pulse as it drew the eye faster. I'm still not sold on lasers, they have uses in certain situations and if your gun is small, has no sight radius or you cannot find good aftermarket sights for it, then a laser might be a plus. If you have a full size gun with good sights, why make yourself dependant on a needless technology that has a predisposition to fail? Maybe I just don't have the balls to use one? __________________ http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...rge-nutjob.jpg

02-25-2010, 09:37 AM	#7
KillermondoDude Marksman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Washington on the wet side Posts: 312	Umm cuz it looks kewl?? __________________ LIBERALS FOR GUNS: After all the Zombie Apocalypse has no political affiliation

02-24-2010, 07:02 PM	#2
hlb3 Gunslinger Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: WA Posts: 28	They are well built and easy to use. They are almost 100% useless outside if its a bright sunny day, but hopefully you wouldn't need any sort of aiming device to help hit your target on a bright sunny day though.

02-25-2010, 04:33 PM	#8
RoJac Newbie Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 3	Got a LG 436 on my Glock 19 Love It

02-25-2010, 04:58 PM	#9
JayD1981 Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Richland, WA Posts: 105	Thanks for the feedback on them. I went ahead and ordered both of them. Then got an email saying they are both on backorder. Well hopefully in a couple weeks I will have lasers on my main carry pistols.

02-27-2010, 06:01 PM	#10
migxdm Rifleman Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: redmond,wa Posts: 185	i got the crimson trace on my LCP and it completes the gun

03-01-2010, 06:42 PM	#13
Brianaintright Gunslinger Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: WA Posts: 78	I've been teaching people to shoot for 15 years now and decided to take a different approach with my wife based on recent experiences. I chose not to focus on the "shooting" and moved more towards fighting with a handgun. I started with a quality airsoft glock and her first "rounds" were from the holster draws on paper targets in an old mobile home. Everything she did was from a carry rig with the fundementals second to good tactics and lots of movement. Taking her to a square range is kinda scary now, everytime she draws, she moves and that makes people a little edgy. She's accurate, hasn't developed a flinch at all. I believe that's attributed to her not thinking about the gun going off but on all the other aspects. So far, I'm impressed with the way things have worked out with this teaching style and the value of the airsoft guns. Manipulation of the weapon and focusing on the tactics makes the basics of shooting, which are simple, easier to do naturally. __________________ http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...rge-nutjob.jpg

06-05-2010, 01:04 AM	#14
Pointman Gunslinger Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Puget Sound, Wa. Posts: 65	I have a CT for my Glock 29- here's a guy's youtube on his... YouTube - Crimson Trace Grips Glock 29 __________________ http://membership.nrahq.org/

06-07-2010, 09:29 PM	#15
James Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 205	Dvd... I have their DVD and info package. I'll give them to you if you think you would like them Jim __________________ Jim, the MC from Outdoor Channel's 'Shooting USA' will pay $10.00 of your NRA membership! Go to www.ShootingUSA.com and Join!

06-07-2010, 09:46 PM	#16
JayD1981 Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Richland, WA Posts: 105	I have their DVD too. This thread is kinda old, since starting it I have the CT grip on my XD 45 Compact and CT trigger guard on my LCP. Last edited by JayD1981; 06-07-2010 at 09:48 PM.

06-19-2010, 03:55 PM	#17
Coug91 Rifleman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Spokane Posts: 223	CT is good. I have one on a Ruger MKIII and one on a S&W 317. Both are 22's, but the intent is to use them to teach my daughter how to shoot. She came in to the man cave one evening as I was putting away some toys and was fascinated with what was in the gun safe, so I pulled out the 317 and gave her a quick lesson in how the revolver functions. then we did the same with the MKIII. She liked both and we will go shooting this summer. She is 4 and will be 5 in November. The MKIII is suppressed, so that will be where we start - so the report is less intimidating. __________________ Fortuna Favet Fortibus http://community.webshots.com/user/coug91 http://www.uspsa.org Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil - Doug Patton

07-25-2010, 11:58 PM	#18
Pointman Gunslinger Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Puget Sound, Wa. Posts: 65	CT is another quick fire item I like- in the middle of the night, half asleep, it helps acquire a intruder or put the message out to any intruder that they're dead if they don't leave the kill zone. It's great at night when I'm sweeping the area the bike is parked. Works great in any holster. __________________ http://membership.nrahq.org/

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