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Old 01-17-2014, 04:51 PM   #1
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Reloading - calculated savings

I am certain that this has been done many times before, but had to try for myself. Thought I would do an assessment of what it costs me to reload several different calibers of handgun ammunition and compare against commercial ammunition. The first thing I noticed was that most calibers cost the same to reload, except for the 9 mm.

These are average costs and I made numerous assumptions. For example, I used Winchester Autocomp powder, loaded to the middle recommended value in all calibers. I also assumed that one could get 8 reloads per piece of brass. Free range-brass will of course improve your savings by about $20 per 1000 reloads.

I estimate that it cost me about $800 to purchase all of the non-consumable reloading equipment such as progressive loader, dies, digital balance...

You will save ~$330 per 1000 reloads in 10 mm, 40 S&W, 45 ACP and 44 mag (on average), compared to same amount of factory ammunition
You will save ~$189 per 1000 reloads in 9mm, compared to same amount of factory ammunition

It will require 2500 reloads to pay for the non-consumables in 10 mm, 40 S&W, 45 ACP and 44 mag (on average)
It will require 4200 reloads to pay for the non-consumables in 9 mm
 
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Old 01-18-2014, 09:38 AM   #2
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Who cares?
Reloading should NOT be about saving money...
 
Old 01-18-2014, 09:59 AM   #3
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Who cares?
Reloading should NOT be about saving money...
Why not? I would think that the savings would be a pretty important part of why one would reload...
 
Old 01-18-2014, 12:41 PM   #4
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great savings when the press and most of youre dies are gifts.
 
Old 01-18-2014, 02:07 PM   #5
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...and why not?

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Who cares?
Reloading should NOT be about saving money...
If you enjoy doing something and save money doing it- why NOT? I agree that if one does not take reloading seriously and can not devote one's full attention, then one should probably not reload. But to dismiss the savings aspect makes no sense to me. That's like saying "Working on your own car should NOT be about saving money." Perhaps reloading is a metaphysical endeavor for you that transcends monetary gains?
 
Old 01-18-2014, 02:31 PM   #6
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Try this

Handloading Cost Calculator
 
Old 01-18-2014, 02:35 PM   #7
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If you enjoy doing something and save money doing it- why NOT? I agree that if one does not take reloading seriously and can not devote one's full attention, then one should probably not reload. But to dismiss the savings aspect makes no sense to me. That's like saying "Working on your own car should NOT be about saving money." Perhaps reloading is a metaphysical endeavor for you that transcends monetary gains?
I went to college for auto tech.

I HATE WORKING ON CARS. I do it all the time and for only ONE reason.

MONEY. the less money I spend on something like replacing the front suspension on my Dakota the more money I have to spend on something I do enjoy.

Quote for R&R 4 Ball joints and both Tierods and an alignment $850.00

Parts bought locally $275.00
Time less then a weekend
alignment after new parts installed $55.00

I bought a Remington 870 Express Magnum 20ga Compact and put $200.00 down on a Winchester model 1897 12ga 30" Full takedown DOM 1905.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 05:54 PM   #8
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But Mark, time is money. You either had to take some of your billable time (and you have exorbitant rates ;) ) or you had to give up "life time". For me, I'd rather pay than lose a weekend these days.

That being said, my son and I have spent time doing re-loading and we both enjoyed it thoroughly. The savings? Actually, I don't think there was much -- if any. But the loads we did were also very high quality. And for me, it was spending time with my kid that was the real "value".

Which brings up the point I believe Mr. nolyj was getting at. The quality of the rounds. Most people that I know who are re-loaders are pretty particular about the components going into the rounds. I don't know any that just buy the cheapest stuff (but I could be wrong). Comparing the cheapest range rounds to super high-quality reloads might not be a fair comparison...
 
Old 01-22-2014, 08:54 PM   #9
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Reloading starts out as a money saving endeavor but then turns into a craft where the exquisitely tailored load preforms at the optimum for the the weapon your shooting it through. a work of art that achieves the perfect shot time and time again. Whos book of range stats and bullet configuration become as cherished to some as the bible is to others








That is my take of course i could be wrong
 
Old 01-23-2014, 06:09 AM   #10
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Reloading starts out as a money saving endeavor but then turns into a craft where the exquisitely tailored load preforms at the optimum for the the weapon your shooting it through. a work of art that achieves the perfect shot time and time again. Whos book of range stats and bullet configuration become as cherished to some as the bible is to others








That is my take of course i could be wrong
nailed it
 
Old 01-23-2014, 07:46 AM   #11
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Reloading would be 100% about saving money... for me.

But like Richard said, time is money. There's absolutely no way reloading is cheaper when you factor in time lost. Now if you enjoy it, that's a different story. If you are creating a superior product than what is commercially available (and that's important to you), that is also a different story.

I'm not bench-rest shooting for group size. I'm turning large orb-shaped fruit into sweet chunky rain as if dog himself had too much whiskey and projectile-vomited his fruit salad.
 
Old 01-23-2014, 08:20 AM   #12
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once you figure in time....yeah, it's likely a wash.


unless that time was taken from watching tv, then, even if it costs you many hours per bullet, it's worth it.
 
Old 01-23-2014, 09:05 AM   #13
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Reloading would be 100% about saving money... for me.

But like Richard said, time is money. There's absolutely no way reloading is cheaper when you factor in time lost. Now if you enjoy it, that's a different story. If you are creating a superior product than what is commercially available (and that's important to you), that is also a different story.

I'm not bench-rest shooting for group size. I'm turning large orb-shaped fruit into sweet chunky rain as if dog himself had too much whiskey and projectile-vomited his fruit salad.
Speaking of doing dog's work, how about we go kill some produce (and that helmet I have sitting on the bench)?
 
Old 01-24-2014, 04:45 AM   #14
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But Mark, time is money. You either had to take some of your billable time (and you have exorbitant rates ;) ) or you had to give up "life time". For me, I'd rather pay than lose a weekend these days.

That being said, my son and I have spent time doing re-loading and we both enjoyed it thoroughly. The savings? Actually, I don't think there was much -- if any. But the loads we did were also very high quality. And for me, it was spending time with my kid that was the real "value".

Which brings up the point I believe Mr. nolyj was getting at. The quality of the rounds. Most people that I know who are re-loaders are pretty particular about the components going into the rounds. I don't know any that just buy the cheapest stuff (but I could be wrong). Comparing the cheapest range rounds to super high-quality reloads might not be a fair comparison...
I drive dump truck for a living I haven't made money working on cars for maybe 37 years and that was a lube mech in a service station. Sorry if I gave the impression I was a Mech.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 11:30 AM   #15
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Money should play a part, but this is another hobby unto itself. If you don't enjoy doing it, the money doesn't really matter.

I did a real life cost comparison and no matter which way you look at it, reloading is cheaper than buying new

TINCANBANDIT's Gunsmithing: To Reload or not to Reload.....

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Old 01-24-2014, 11:38 AM   #16
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one thing I realized one day:

reloading .38sp was almost negligible savings, but for .357mag it was a far bigger increase in savings per round, difference of nickles and dimes per round

your bigger rifle calibers, you could save quite a lot for a comparable round! saving quarters and half dollars per round!
 
Old 01-24-2014, 12:32 PM   #17
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You can load pistol cartrages almost indefinatly. 8x is waaaay low.


I reload to make the loads I want to shoot, and to save money. Which bullets you use makes the biggest difference in cost savings. Lead/moly projectiles cost a lot lest than FMJ/TMJ/JHP from a place like Montana Gold.

The biggest deal for me is availability and flexability. I can go to the shop and churn out a few hundered "hot" loads, or take the same components and down load to target loads so soft the bairly recoil.
 
Old 01-24-2014, 08:04 PM   #18
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You want to see the money aspect of reloading look at a caliber like 30-40Krag

1. you are lucky to find it in the best of times
2. its only offered in 1 or two loadings
3. on average its $39-42.00 for a box of 20

I can load anything from a 130 gr to a 220 gr slug in the same speed range as a .308 when I do it my self.

And on average depending on the slug I can save between .90 cents to a $1.10 PER ROUND loading myself.

So a box of 20 costs roughly 1/2 what a factory load costs.


.30 M1 is another caliber you can not only save a small fortune reloading but produce loads never available from any factory .

Like using a Sierra 125gr FPHP (30-30) with H110 or 2400

The only centerfire ammo I buy is Shotgun ammo and soon as construction season starts I'm going to start doing that myself as well.
 
Old 01-30-2014, 11:44 PM   #19
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I drive dump truck for a living I haven't made money working on cars for maybe 37 years and that was a lube mech in a service station. Sorry if I gave the impression I was a Mech.
Actually, that was my mistake. I saw your name and thought you were Hawker for some reason.

You're all good!
 
Old 02-05-2014, 03:29 PM   #20
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Actually, that was my mistake. I saw your name and thought you were Hawker for some reason.

You're all good!
Hehe, funny, I was reading your post and thinking "Richard sounds like me, I won't work on my cars anymore, not worth the time." LOL
 
Old 02-14-2014, 01:13 PM   #21
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hehe, funny, i was reading your post and thinking "richard sounds like me, i won't work on my cars anymore, not worth the time." lol
lol!
 
Old 04-30-2015, 05:17 PM   #22
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I've been forced to get back to reloading, I have a 1917 Enfield 30.06 that has been
rechambered to .300 H&H Mag. Its been in my gun cabinet for almost 25 years, since
my dad passed. Anyway I started to shop for ammo, what a surprise, not only is hard to find but it's outrageously expensive $75.99 for 20 rounds. I recently met a fellow who
said he has 300 or more pieces of 300 H&H brass he doesn't have any use for any
longer, he just needs to find it in his shop. At $3.75 a round I think I'll be able to shoot
it again. I'm hoping he comes through for me.

.................... Jack
 
Old 05-27-2015, 12:23 PM   #23
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Reloading starts out as a money saving endeavor but then turns into a craft where the exquisitely tailored load preforms at the optimum for the the weapon your shooting it through. a work of art that achieves the perfect shot time and time again. Whos book of range stats and bullet configuration become as cherished to some as the bible is to others
Ditto on the 'nailed it' previously mentioned but for me reloading STARTED out as the 'craft' part and as an extension of my interest in firearms and shooting without considering money savings. As time went on and i invested in more equipment and components I began to see some savings in the having components on hand to conveniently load when needed as opposed to needing to run out to buy ammo. Also I would find deals on old stock components (free or nearly so) and that allowed me create casual or 'plinking' ammo for considerably less. And (again as previously mentioned) depending on the caliber (especially rifle) some can be reloaded for considerably less than off the shelf prices due to rarity or availability. Also, and it is rarely mentioned, is the ability to create reduced loadings that are typically not available for some calibers. An example would be .38 Special can be considered a reduced loading for .357 Magnum- but that is really only by default as the .357 was an improvement of the .38. So, say you want to equate the same for a rifle caliber where this advantage does not exist? Reloading is the only way. Many rifle calibers have vast amounts of reduced load data for great loads that are not only economical but are accurate and useful. A good example would be the 30-30 Winchester - an 'old school' reduced load is 10-12 grains of Unique with nearly any cast bullet or light jacketed bullet such as the 100 gr. Speer plinker. This load costs about as much to load as a .357 Magnum and turns a 30-30 into a fun plinker. Saving by reloading? - somewhat. Versatility and variety of loads - primary reason to reload. Having components on hand during shortages - priceless!
 
Old 05-28-2015, 05:21 PM   #24
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And, we all calculate the cost of golf clubs and balls and tees and silly clothes and shoes and course fees before we decide to play golf.
If your only goal in reloading is to save money, you simply aren't going to care enough to reload well and possibly even safely. You will not want to "waste" components testing and working up loads.
Simply put, if you don't enjoy something, you aren't going to do it well.
So, how many of you can actually say that the ONLY reason you reload is to save money per round?
 
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