KrautBurner

first,
I'm not sure if this is the right section or not,
but I'm asking for Wa state in particular.


when hunting Muzzle loader season
is it legal to have the rifle loaded in the vehicle?

since once the muzzle loader is loaded, it can't really be unloaded without firing




(when I lived (and hunted) in VA, it wasn't really an issue
we would load up the muzzle loaders at the begining of the season, and fire the rifles (at targets) on sunday (no hunting on sundays) and clean the rifles, re load monday morning before going out again)

millertime

I know you can have any fire arm loaded in the vehicle as long as you have your carry permit. I know it is illegal to have a loaded hand gun in a vehilce with out a permit. Not sure if there is an exception for muzzle loaders. It is really easy to get your permit here.

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KrautBurner

I don't know if that's completely correct,

Wa's permit is a CPL specifying "Pistol"

millertime

I better look into that. I drive with my M6 loaded in the rack all the time.

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Lammo

You can only have a PISTOL loaded in a vehicle with a carry permit (and with a couple of other exceptions that prove the rule). RCW 9.41.050, here: RCW 9.41.050: Carrying firearms. You may not carry a loaded rifle in a vehicle unless you have a disabled hunter permit. There is no exception for muzzle loaders. RCW 77.15.460, here: RCW 77.15.460: Loaded firearm in vehicle ? Unlawful use or possession ? Penalty.

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millertime

been doing some research and this is kind of vague

RCW 9.41.060: Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.

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KrautBurner

thanks,

actually, in that reference: RCW 77.15.460: Loaded firearm in vehicle ? Unlawful use or possession ? Penalty.


so,
if it's not "primed" (no percussion cap installed) it's not "Loaded"


that's exactly what I needed

KrautBurner

this too...

Lammo

RCW 9.41.060's first line says it does not apply to the restrictions contained in RCW 9.41.050, which only deals with pistols (which are defined in RCW 9.41.010 to include revolvers). So, nothing in RCW 9.41.060 will allow loaded rifle carry in a vehicle. I think you are correct that an uncapped/unprimed (not a muzzle loader owner so I don't know the difference) muzzle loader is not considered loaded and therefore not prohibited by RCW 77.15.460.

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KrautBurner

if 9.41.060 does not apply to restrictions in 9.41.050 (pistols)
then it doesn't say it doesn't allow a loaded rifle

but I'd only transport without the primer anyways.

koorbloh

yes, this is exactly what you need for long guns.

Lammo

RCW 9.41.060 creates some exceptions to the loaded pistol rules in RCW 9.41.050. Since RCW 9.41.050 only applies to pistols, RCW 9.41.060's exceptions only apply to pistols. The only way that RCW 9.41.060's exceptions would apply to rifles would be if it referenced RCW 77.15.460, which is the section that controls loaded rifles in vehicles.

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millertime

so if i'm on the way to the gun range i have a fighting chance of being ok for having my M6 loaded.

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