gun law question (hunting) firearm in vehicle

KrautBurner · 12-17-2009, 11:53 PM

first,
I'm not sure if this is the right section or not,
but I'm asking for Wa state in particular.

when hunting Muzzle loader season
is it legal to have the rifle loaded in the vehicle?

since once the muzzle loader is loaded, it can't really be unloaded without firing

(when I lived (and hunted) in VA, it wasn't really an issue
we would load up the muzzle loaders at the begining of the season, and fire the rifles (at targets) on sunday (no hunting on sundays) and clean the rifles, re load monday morning before going out again)

millertime · 12-18-2009, 12:13 AM

I know you can have any fire arm loaded in the vehicle as long as you have your carry permit. I know it is illegal to have a loaded hand gun in a vehilce with out a permit. Not sure if there is an exception for muzzle loaders. It is really easy to get your permit here.

KrautBurner · 12-18-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by millertime

I know you can have any fire arm loading in the vehicle as long as you have your carry permit.

I don't know if that's completely correct,

Wa's permit is a CPL specifying "Pistol"

millertime · 12-18-2009, 12:40 AM

I better look into that. I drive with my M6 loaded in the rack all the time.

Lammo · 12-18-2009, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by millertime

I know you can have any fire arm loaded in the vehicle as long as you have your carry permit. I know it is illegal to have a loaded hand gun in a vehilce with out a permit. Not sure if there is an exception for muzzle loaders. It is really easy to get your permit here.

You can only have a PISTOL loaded in a vehicle with a carry permit (and with a couple of other exceptions that prove the rule). RCW 9.41.050, here: RCW 9.41.050: Carrying firearms. You may not carry a loaded rifle in a vehicle unless you have a disabled hunter permit. There is no exception for muzzle loaders. RCW 77.15.460, here: RCW 77.15.460: Loaded firearm in vehicle ? Unlawful use or possession ? Penalty.

millertime · 12-18-2009, 01:09 AM

been doing some research and this is kind of vague

RCW 9.41.060: Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.

KrautBurner · 12-18-2009, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Lammo

You can only have a PISTOL loaded in a vehicle with a carry permit (and with a couple of other exceptions that prove the rule). RCW 9.41.050, here: RCW 9.41.050: Carrying firearms. You may not carry a loaded rifle in a vehicle unless you have a disabled hunter permit. There is no exception for muzzle loaders. RCW 77.15.460, here: RCW 77.15.460: Loaded firearm in vehicle ? Unlawful use or possession ? Penalty.

thanks,

actually, in that reference: RCW 77.15.460: Loaded firearm in vehicle ? Unlawful use or possession ? Penalty.

Quote:

(1) A person is guilty of unlawful possession of a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle if:

(a) The person carries, transports, conveys, possesses, or controls a rifle or shotgun in or on a motor vehicle; and

(b) The rifle or shotgun contains shells or cartridges in the magazine or chamber, or is a muzzle-loading firearm that is loaded and capped or primed.

so,
if it's not "primed" (no percussion cap installed) it's not "Loaded"

that's exactly what I needed

KrautBurner · 12-18-2009, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by millertime

been doing some research and this is kind of vague

RCW 9.41.060: Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.

this too...

Quote:

(8) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;

Lammo · 12-18-2009, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KrautBurner

this too...

RCW 9.41.060's first line says it does not apply to the restrictions contained in RCW 9.41.050, which only deals with pistols (which are defined in RCW 9.41.010 to include revolvers). So, nothing in RCW 9.41.060 will allow loaded rifle carry in a vehicle. I think you are correct that an uncapped/unprimed (not a muzzle loader owner so I don't know the difference) muzzle loader is not considered loaded and therefore not prohibited by RCW 77.15.460.

KrautBurner · 12-18-2009, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lammo

RCW 9.41.060's first line says it does not apply to the restrictions contained in RCW 9.41.050, which only deals with pistols (which are defined in RCW 9.41.010 to include revolvers). So, nothing in RCW 9.41.060 will allow loaded rifle carry in a vehicle. I think you are correct that an uncapped/unprimed (not a muzzle loader owner so I don't know the difference) muzzle loader is not considered loaded and therefore not prohibited by RCW 77.15.460.

if 9.41.060 does not apply to restrictions in 9.41.050 (pistols)
then it doesn't say it doesn't allow a loaded rifle

but I'd only transport without the primer anyways.

koorbloh · 12-18-2009, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrautBurner

thanks,

actually, in that reference: RCW 77.15.460: Loaded firearm in vehicle ? Unlawful use or possession ? Penalty.

so,
if it's not "primed" (no percussion cap installed) it's not "Loaded"

that's exactly what I needed

yes, this is exactly what you need for long guns.

Lammo · 12-18-2009, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrautBurner

if 9.41.060 does not apply to restrictions in 9.41.050 (pistols)
then it doesn't say it doesn't allow a loaded rifle

but I'd only transport without the primer anyways.

RCW 9.41.060 creates some exceptions to the loaded pistol rules in RCW 9.41.050. Since RCW 9.41.050 only applies to pistols, RCW 9.41.060's exceptions only apply to pistols. The only way that RCW 9.41.060's exceptions would apply to rifles would be if it referenced RCW 77.15.460, which is the section that controls loaded rifles in vehicles.

millertime · 12-18-2009, 06:11 PM

so if i'm on the way to the gun range i have a fighting chance of being ok for having my M6 loaded.

12-17-2009, 11:53 PM	#1
KrautBurner Gunslinger Joined: Jan 2009 From: Bremerton, Wa Posts: 68	gun law question (hunting) firearm in vehicle first, I'm not sure if this is the right section or not, but I'm asking for Wa state in particular. when hunting Muzzle loader season is it legal to have the rifle loaded in the vehicle? since once the muzzle loader is loaded, it can't really be unloaded without firing (when I lived (and hunted) in VA, it wasn't really an issue we would load up the muzzle loaders at the begining of the season, and fire the rifles (at targets) on sunday (no hunting on sundays) and clean the rifles, re load monday morning before going out again)

12-18-2009, 12:13 AM	#2
millertime Gunslinger Joined: Oct 2009 From: seattle wa Posts: 56	loading in vehicle I know you can have any fire arm loaded in the vehicle as long as you have your carry permit. I know it is illegal to have a loaded hand gun in a vehilce with out a permit. Not sure if there is an exception for muzzle loaders. It is really easy to get your permit here.

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12-18-2009, 12:40 AM	#4
millertime Gunslinger Joined: Oct 2009 From: seattle wa Posts: 56	I better look into that. I drive with my M6 loaded in the rack all the time.

12-18-2009, 01:09 AM	#6
millertime Gunslinger Joined: Oct 2009 From: seattle wa Posts: 56	been doing some research and this is kind of vague RCW 9.41.060: Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.

12-18-2009, 06:11 PM	#13
millertime Gunslinger Joined: Oct 2009 From: seattle wa Posts: 56	so if i'm on the way to the gun range i have a fighting chance of being ok for having my M6 loaded.